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Thomas Williams born abt 1837/8, Pendoylan (sometimes recorded as Pendilum), Glamorgan, Wales
no baptism found 1841 not found 1851 not found 1861 4 Pendoylan Village Thomas Williams 62 ag lab b. Pendoylan Ann wife 59 b Llantrisant Ann daur unm. 32 basket maker (blind from the age of 5) Thomas Williams son unm. 29 ag lab b Pendoylan Rachel dau unm 22 James Williams, grandson 1 Marriage: 28 Sep 1863, Llangynwyd, to Jennet Lloyd 1871 22 Duffryn Row, Cwmdu, Glam Thomas Williams 35 engine driver b Pendilum Janet Williams [shd be Jennet] 27 wife b Llangynwyd, Glam Thomas Williams 6 son b Llangynwyd scholar Griffith Williams 2 son b Llangynwyd Margaret Ann Williams 6 months daur b Llangynwyd Margaret Williams 44 unm. visitor b Pendilum [Thomas' sister] 1881 22 Duffryn Row, Cwmdu, Glamorgan Thomas Williams 43 engine driver b Maesteg [sic] Janet Williams wife 38 b Maesteg Thomas Williams son 15 coal miner Griffith Williams 13 son scholar Eliza Mary Williams daur 8 scholar Amelia Williams daur 5 scholar Isaiah [mistranscribed as Assia!] son 3 scholar Daniel E. Williams son 1 1891 1891 22 Duffryn Row [4 rooms] Thomas Williams 54 engineer Jenet wife 48 Thomas son 25 coal miner Amelia daur 14 Esiah [sic] 13 coal miner David E. son 11 Evan T. son 9 Margaret A. daur 7 Evans Young boarder 25 coal miner no death found as too many Thomas Williamses! Link to x gt grandmother: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ead.php?t=5168
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Nell, is this the same place? It is the only one I could find.
Name: Thomas Williams Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Nov 1833 Baptism/Christening Place: PENDEULWYN,GLAMORGAN,WALES Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Williams Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Anne Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05728-1 System Origin: Wales-ODM Source Film Number: 104902 Reference Number: Collection: Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907 |
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Possibly Thomas' parents in 1851:
WILLIAM, Thomas Head Married M 52 1799 Ag Lab Pendoylan Glamorganshire WILLIAM, Anne Wife Married F 49 1802 Ag Lab's Wife Pentyrch Glamorganshire WILLIAM, Evan Son M 9 1842 Scholar Pendoylan Glamorganshire THOMAS, Elizabeth Mother-In-Law Widow F 80 1771 Annuitant Pendoylan Glamorganshire RG number: HO107 Piece: 2456 Folio: 194 Page: 10 Address: Castell Pentwyn, Pendoylon Glamorganshire Last edited by ElizabethHerts; 29-09-10 at 08:20. |
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Wikipedia and FamilySearch Record Search say that Pendeulwyn is the Welsh name for Pendoylan, so that baptism looks likely. Other baptisms of the same parents (or at least, parents of the same name in the same place)!
John 25 Aug 1821, died 2 Sep 1821 Margaret 7 Sep 1822 Mary 14 Jul 1824 Anne 24 Jul 1826 Mary 17 Aug 1834 Evan 10 Apr 1842 |
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Rachel Williams (Thomas's sister) is a visitor with a William Thomas age 42 born Llantrisant on the 1851 census (ref HO107 Piece 2456 Folio 108 Page 9). William could be Ann's brother or nephew?
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And this is the family in 1841
(HO107 Piece 1416 Book 19 Civil Parish Pendoylen County Glamorgan ED 9 Folio 6 Page 4) Late John Lewis' house, Pendoylen Thomas William 35 Ag Lab Yes Anne Do 35 Y Anne Do 12 Y Thomas Do 9 Y Mary Do 7 Y John Do 5 Y Rachel Do 2 Y Elizabeth Webb 2 Y |
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And a likely for Thomas in 1851 farm servant at Greendown Farm, Bonvilstone, Glamorgan, age 18 born Pendoylan. Ref HO107 Piece 2456 Folio 94 Page 14.
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Now I'm confused, because on the 1851 census there is a Mary William age 17 born Pendoylan who is granddaughter to William Day age 83 born Gloucestershire. William's wife is Mary age 65 born Glamorganshire (place name I can't read). I thought Anne's maiden name was Thomas, because of Elizabeth Thomas mother in law who is with Thomas sr and Anne on the 1851, so who's William Day? Is it possible he's Thomas sr's father and they used that patronymic system when Thomas sr was born (around 1799), even though William Day was English? So that Thomas was named Thomas William because his father was William?
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Wow
KiteRunner and Elizabeth - thank you so much for your finds. I'm going to digest them now - and see if I can solve the puzzle KR has uncovered. (Why is it that one discovery always leads to another problem?) !
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