martin walsh

[bidston]

hi all, just got the birth details of my grandmother sarah ann welsh or walsh,1878, unfortunately mothers maiden name is also mary welsh, martin born liverpool mary born kilkenney, ireland,

looking for a marriage around 1860, first child catherine was born in hanley, staffs, next 2 birkenhead, next 5 all whitchurch, salop, so could be any of these places as well as liverpool

in 1881 ages down as martin 42 and mary 43, but all over the place in later census, any help would be appreciated

[Margaret in Burton]

Hi

can you be a little clearer what it is you are looking for? Is it them on all of the census?

Where are they in 1881? More info please.

[Margaret in Burton]

I can't see a marriage that would tie in with those ages you give, too early. Looking at them on later census may help.

[bidston]

hi marg, got them in liverpool 1881 age 42 and 43, also liverpool 1891 49 and 47, then 1901 liverpool both age 54, all over the place , first child born about 1862 in hanley, so marriage just before or after

[ElizabethHerts]

Bidston, whose marriage are you looking for? Your query doesn't make it very clear!

[bidston]

sorry all, looking for martin welsh or walsh to mary welsh - maiden name welsh around 1860 maybe liverpool where martin is from or hanley, staffs where first child catherine was born

[Merry]

Originally Posted by bidston

hi marg, got them in liverpool 1881 age 42 and 43, also liverpool 1891 49 and 47, then 1901 liverpool both age 54, all over the place , first child born about 1862 in hanley, so marriage just before or after

Don't make the assumption the marriage will be before the first child. All you know is that they were apparently married by 1878. Until you have them on earlier censuses/the marriage, you don't know if the mum was the same woman for all the children.

[Margaret in Burton]

Bidston

Can you post the census refs you have for each one?

[Olde Crone]

Martin WALCH married

Mary WALCH

in 1861 at West Derby Register Office or registrar attended.

(From Lancsbmd)

OC

[Merry]

Right, getting somewhere now (can't see that marriage yet, but can maybe circumvent it! lol)

In 1871 the eldest dau Catherine Walsh/Welsh is living with her aunt, widow Emma Needham.

In 1861 Emma Needham is living with her father (and possibly mother), so in theory the head should be the father of either Martin or his wife (assuming they really did have the same surname) The 1861 family is as follows:

John Welsh head m 73 licenced victualler b Coventry Warks
Mary Welsh wife m 72 b Coventry
Henry Welsh g-son 13 scholar b Coventry
Edward Brown g-son 17 scholar b Coventry
Walter Pemberton (can't read relationship) 9 b Coventry
Emma Needham dau wid 41 dressmaker b Coventry
Humphrey Needham servant (crossed through!) b Coventry
Martha Brady serv unm 25 b Coventry

at 23 Albion St Coventry.

Now to try and go back......