Charles Sayer

My mother's mother's mother's father's father.

Name:
Charles Sayer

Date and place of birth:
About 1790 in Carbrooke, Norfolk England but if you believe the 1851 Census it would be 1807 and he married for the first time 1819 which would have made him 12 so unlikely

Names of parents:
Not known

Date and place of baptism:
Not known

Details of each of his or her marriages:

1st marriage to Sophia Parker on 3rd April 1819 in Carbrooke, Norfolk, England
4 children to this marriage
Charlotte Sayer born abt 1820
Maria Sayer born abt 1823
Harriet Sayer born abt 1824
James Sayer born abt 1826

Sophia died in 1827 and Charles did not waste any time in marrying for a second time.

2nd marriage to Elizabeth Parker (no idea if she’s related to Sophia) on 11 October 1827 in Carbrooke, Norfolk, England here is the thread about Elizabeth to save people going over stuff already done http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum...ighlight=sayer

10 children born to this marriage
Charles Wiseman Sayer born abt 1827
Benjamin Sayer born abt 1830
Sophia Sayer born abt 1832
John Sayer born abt 1834
Caroline Sayer born abt 1836
Hannah Sayer born abt 1838
Joseph Sayer born abt 1841
William Parker Sayer born 24th December 1842 <----my ancestor
Elizabeth Sayer born abt 1849
John Parker Sayer born abt 1852

The first 8 children were born in Carbrooke the rest were born in Shoreditch, London.

Occupation:
Bedstead Maker

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK):

Swan Yard, Shoreditch, London, England - 1841 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...26pgPLz0q3dpid

8 Calendar Yard, Shoreditch, London, England - 1851 Census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...26pgPLz0q3dpid

Date, place and cause of death:
Possible death:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1857
Shoreditch
Vol 1c
Page 94
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...757431&recoff=

Date and place of burial:
Not known

Details of will / administration of their estate:
Not known

Memorial inscription:
Not known

[kiterunner]

I think this is his baptism: Charles son of James Sare & Elizabeth his wife baptised Jan 13 1799 at Carbrooke (image no 17 of the Carbrooke PR baptisms 1776-1812 on FamilySearch.) There are lots of baptisms for children of James Sayer and Elizabeth in the same parish so I think Sare must be a variation of Sayer:
John 13 May 1792, Edmund 12 Jan 1791, Robert 1 Nov 1789, Thomas Tayler 20 Apr 1788, Martha 29 Jan 1786, John 28 Mar 1787, Susanna 22 Jun 1783, Elizth 25 Dec 1784(I think), Samuel 6 Oct 1793, Benjamin 21 May 1797. Mother's maiden name is given as Sere on a couple of them. There could be more but I stopped looking when I found Charles!

ahhhh the Thomas Taylor Sayer the witness at his marriage.

That must be them.

I'll go have look for more baptisms.

Thank you Kiterunner once again.

Are those images searchable now?

[kiterunner]

They're not indexed yet, no, you have to browse through them.

I've found a tree on ancestry that I am checking against the baptisms (pausing ocassionally to look on here because of the tedium) but I think in total if the tree is correct James and Elizabeth had:

James Sayer married Ann Platfoot
1781
William Sayer married Elizabeth Raper emigrated to the USA in the 1830s
1782
Susannah Sayer married Robert Newson
1783
Elizabeth Sayer married John Leeder
1784
Martha Sayer married ?
1786
John Sayer married ?
1787
Thomas Taylor Sayer married Elizabeth Wymer had some children she died and he then married Mary Elsegood Collins and emigrated to the USA taking the younger of Elizabeth's children and all of Mary's and then he had a load more when he got there.
1788
Robert Sayer married Sophia Swanton in London but then went back to Norfolk lost him thinks he also emigrated can't find him his wife or two children.
1789
Edmund/Edward Sayer married Mary Gall stayed in Norfolk
1791
John Sayer died age 23
1792
Samuel Sayer died aged 18
1793
Benjamin Sayer married Margaret Newson his sister Susannah's husband Robert's sister!
1797
Charles Sayer <----- my ancestor moved to Shoreditch, London with his second wife and all their children plus the children from his first wife Sophia.
1799
Joseph Sayer married Hannah Spraggs in London and had 9 children only 2 seems to have survived infancy Hannah died too and he married Sarah Sparkes.
1800


Edited to to put Edmund/Edward in I never did I forgot to and also the tree owner was quite correct Thomas Taylor Sayer and William Sayer both emigrated to the USA in the 1830s and created another Dynasty in St Lawrence County and Oswego County New York State. All these fact I have verified myself and they are true.

[kiterunner]

Edmund's missing from that list.

oooh yes.