Janaway - using DNA to go around the problem

[Tom Tom]

In the past, I have tried to find more information about the parents of Olivia Melvina Newbury Jannaway, born in 1851 in Kingstown, St Vincent, West Indies, daughter of James and Sophia JANUARY. Her father is a Private in the 1st Batallion 14th Regiment of Foot.

Her Scottish death certificate in 1882 gives her father as James Jannaway (decd) Barracks Sergt and Sophia Ann (Abbott).

I have never been able to find anything else about her parents.

However, I recently made a contact with someone with JANAWAY in their tree, and AncestryDNA says we are 4th-6th cousins.

In their tree, they have Joseph Janaway, married to Mary Spencer in Lyndhurst, Hampshire. They had a number of children in the 1820s (no James though).

Also in Lyndhurst, there was a christening of James Janaway, son of Elizabeth, christened in December 1824.

There is then a marriage of Elizabeth Janaway to Joseph Dible in 1825, in Lyndhurst. It looks like Elizabeth died in 1863.

I cannot see any Janaway/Janaway link to Elizabeth on the 1841/51/61 censuses.

This thread from 2014 shows some of the work done before when trying to find out some more about Olivia.


Thank you for looking.

[Tom Tom]

Elizabeth gives her place of birth as Minesteed on one the census.

The tree on Ancestry gives Joseph's father as Joseph, born 1796. This looks like him in 1851, also born Minesteed:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=5926642

[kiterunner]

I'm not sure what you mean about looking for a Janaway link to Elizabeth on the censuses, but if the Elizabeth who married Joseph Dible is the right one, she was born about 1799 in Minstead, Hants. James is not with them in 1841.

There are public trees on Ancestry which have Elizabeth as the daughter of Joseph Janaway and Phoebe Trusler, with Joseph Janaway born 1786 Minstead as her brother, and as the one who married Mary Spencer.

[kiterunner]

Joseph Janaway's family and Joseph Dible's family are on images 2 and 5 respectively of District 5 of Lyndhurst on the 1841 census, so not very far from each other.

[Tom Tom]

Thanks Kate. I meant that James Janaway (born 1824) wasn’t on the census with Elizabeth (when she had become Dibble) to tie them together.

[Phoenix]

It looks as if that James died in June 1825 in Lyndhurst aged under a year.

[kiterunner]

Just thought, Tom - have you checked shared matches with your DNA match?

[Tom Tom]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

It looks as if that James died in June 1825 in Lyndhurst aged under a year.

Ah! That rules them out then. Thank you.

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Just thought, Tom - have you checked shared matches with your DNA match?

I've looked and there are a few shared matches at 4th-6th cousin level, but none have a linked tree and none of them have logged on for over a year.
The only other shared links are a 2nd cousin who is already accounted for.

There has to be a link somewhere!

[Phoenix]

Do you have any abbott or Janaway matches? It would be worth looking at lower DNA matches, to see if they link to the new connection.

[crawfie]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

There are public trees on Ancestry which have Elizabeth as the daughter of Joseph Janaway and Phoebe Trusler, with Joseph Janaway born 1786 Minstead as her brother, and as the one who married Mary Spencer.

Joseph and Phebe were married in 1788. According to the death reg. Joseph jr was 77 when he died in 1863 giving a dob of ca. 1786. On the 1851 his dob is 1791 and on the 1841 1786, so varies quite a bit. As well as Elizabeth, they also had John, 1796; Charles 1788; George 1790; Sarah 1794 and James in 1803. However I cannot find a baptism for Joseph - I have searched for him as child of Joseph and Phebe and also just Phebe. However the discs I have are transcriptions only, so some may be missing.

Could this be your James? It would have made him about 48 when Olivia was born. Do you have any idea as to his dob? If Joseph and Phoebe were the parents of both Joseph and James would that be consistent with the DNA findings?