Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere!



Go Back   Genealogists' Forum - We have branches everywhere! > Research > Research Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-03-12, 17:29
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,236
Default Going round (and round) in circles

BK6 updated from this thread

I've been adding a twig of distant relatives to my tree and something that should have taken a couple of minutes and shouldn't be all that important, has consumed me for several days! I ought to leave it really, but can't seem to, so I need someone else to come up with the answer.

All I wanted was to find the birth details for the wife of my relative so she would appear correctly on my tree.

Here's the marriage:

Marriages Dec 1883
FOSTER Adelaide Elizabeth Kensington 1a 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<
JOYCE Rose Marie Kensington 1a 375
MANDERS Adelaide Elizabeth Kensington 1a 375 <<<<<<<<<<
SHERLOCK Edwin Charles Kensington 1a 375
WILLIAMS George Stanley Kensington 1a 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

and then they did it again:

Marriages Dec 1884
Forster Adelaide Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 846 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Manders Adelaide E St George Hanover Square 1a 846 <<<<<<<<<<
Schomberg Arthur St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 846
Williams George Stanley St.Geo. H.Sq. 1a 846 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wilson Adah Jessie St Geo Han Sq 1a 846
Zanker Herbert St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 846

They had these sons:

Joseph Coryton Stanley Williams b 1884 (Q2 Market Bosworth district)
Vivian Dunbar Stanley Williams b 1885 (Q4 ditto)
George Gilbert Algernon Williams b 1888 (Q4 ditto)
Noel Charles Augustus Williams b. 1889 (Q1 1890 ditto)

all of whom lived to adulthood.

No sign of any of them in 1891. George Stanley Williams (b 1852 Tring, Herts) was in the army, so perhaps they went abroad?

George Stanley Williams died in 1897 (probate entry) at The Coppice, Queniborough Leic. The previous year he had divorced his wife for her adultery. Next we have this:

Marriages Mar 1897
DE VILLAUDE William Forbes L (Duc) Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<
De Villuade William Forbes L (Duc) Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<<
FLETCHER Alice Rose Kensington 1a 269
FORBES-LESLIE William (Duc de Villaude) Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<
GOLDSON Harry Kensington 1a 269
Leslie William Forbes (Duc de Villaude) Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<
Leslie William Forbes(Duc de Villaude) Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<
Manders Ada Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Manders Adelaide Ivy E Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Williams Ada Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Williams Adelaide Ivy E Kensington 1a 269 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I know this was a register office wedding and that her father was recorded as Herbert Manders on the cert as just before she was jailed for fraud in 1911 (The Times) the marriage cert was discussed in court. It also mentioned that she had been divorced twice, the first time before she married Williams so presumably that was to a Mr Fo(r)ster (also in the army, so presume they married abroad, as I can't find anything in Eng/Wales). In 1911 Adelaide was aged 48 (or 49, can't see it now)

I think William Forbes-Leslie may have been another con merchant, as I became overwhelmed with 'stuff' when I googled his name and/or checked the papers!

There is a Louis Forbes-Leslie b Paris on the 1911 census who I guess might well be another child for Adelaide/Ada.

So, all I wanted was her date and place of birth as well as her maiden name (Manders?) to tidy up my tree, but instead I get all this and no answers!

And no, I'm not buying any certs because they are too distant!

Please help!!! lol
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-03-12, 18:22
maggie_4_7
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Isn't that also her in her maiden name at the top.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...83&f9=10&f5=1a

Adelaide Elizabeth Foster.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-12, 18:24
JessBow's Avatar
JessBow JessBow is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Dunno really, here abouts somewhere I guess
Posts: 275
Default

Do we have any idea what sort of age Adelaide should be?
__________________
Jess
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-03-12, 18:31
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maggie_4_7 View Post
Isn't that also her in her maiden name at the top.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...83&f9=10&f5=1a

Adelaide Elizabeth Foster.
Hi Maggie - I think that was her previous married name. She married an army officer but then ran off with GS Williams who was in the same regiment but was richer (according to The Times).

Quote:
Originally Posted by JessBow View Post
Do we have any idea what sort of age Adelaide should be?

Jess, in 1911 she was in her very late 40s, which might or might not be right, but if she did have a child in about 1903/4 (Louis) and married for the second time in 1883/84 there isn't a huge abount of room for manouvering, I think.
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-03-12, 18:32
maggie_4_7
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

oh so she was married to a Foster too!

I didn't read your post correctly!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-03-12, 18:34
ElizabethHerts ElizabethHerts is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 9,275
Default

"I know this was a register office wedding and that her father was recorded as Herbert Manders on the cert as just before she was jailed for fraud in 1911 (The Times) the marriage cert was discussed in court. It also mentioned that she had been divorced twice, the first time before she married Williams so presumably that was to a Mr Fo(r)ster (also in the army, so presume they married abroad, as I can't find anything in Eng/Wales). In 1911 Adelaide was aged 48 (or 49, can't see it now)

I think William Forbes-Leslie may have been another con merchant, as I became overwhelmed with 'stuff' when I googled his name and/or checked the papers!"


Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: MAUNDERS, Adelaide Elizabeth
Registration district: Conway
County: Caernarvonshire
Year of registration: 1878
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 11B
Page no: 653

MarriageFinder: Adelaide Elizabeth Maunders married one of the following people:

FORSTER, John Burton

FOSTER, John

MANDERS, Adelaide E
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-03-12, 18:49
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,349
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry View Post
There is a Louis Forbes-Leslie b Paris on the 1911 census who I guess might well be another child for Adelaide/Ada.
His birthplace is "unknown" on the census image.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 19th July
Gwent Workhouse Registers 1833-1957 new on Ancestry
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-03-12, 18:58
kiterunner's Avatar
kiterunner kiterunner is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 25,349
Default

William Forbes-Leslie was in South Africa in 1901 according to the medal rolls on ancestry.
__________________
KiteRunner

Family History News updated 19th July
Gwent Workhouse Registers 1833-1957 new on Ancestry
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-03-12, 19:05
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,236
Default

Thanks Elizabeth, that's interesting. Maybe I should be looking harder for her in 1881, though I've been put off by the "indian regiment" ref in The Times where they told the tale of her running away with GS Williams.

Kate, I've been trying to remember where I saw Paris for Louis. I think it was on some merchant seaman papers on FMP. South Africa was mentioned for one of Adelaide's 'escape routes' in the paper though.
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-03-12, 19:11
Merry's Avatar
Merry Merry is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Near Christchurch, Dorset
Posts: 21,236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiterunner View Post
William Forbes-Leslie was in South Africa in 1901 according to the medal rolls on ancestry.
and in jail in the 1930s!
__________________
Merry

"Something has been filled in that I didn't know was blank" Matthew Broderick WDYTYA? March 2010
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:45.


Hosted by Photon IT

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 PL3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.