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Old 06-09-22, 15:30
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Maybe he was brought up by someone else and adopted their name instead of his own.

Watching countdown yesterday and the host said he was born one name but took his stepfather's name.

Doesn't look like any italian surnames but maybe the mother's.

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Thanks Julie

Birthday is supposedly 22 July 1885

I did look at people born in Italy but living in Rotherham in 1881 and 1891. Thinking his parentage.

Nothing in 1881

1891

Bartholomaus Federici 39 Head
Rose A Federici 29 Wife
Theresa Federici 5 Daughter
Lucy Federici 1 Daughter
Mary Federici 4/12 Daughter
Joseph Federici 36 Brother
Starbori Vincenzo 26 Cousin
Pezzi Luigi 22 Visitor



Stephen Hrugone 42 Head
Betsy Hrugone 36 Wife

The wives in both households are from Yorkshire
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Marg, I think you once said you had uploaded your daughters' DNA to MyHeritage? If that is the case, do they have any sizeable matches with location Italy on there? (You can use Filters - Location to find them.)
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Marg, I think you once said you had uploaded your daughters' DNA to MyHeritage? If that is the case, do they have any sizeable matches with location Italy on there? (You can use Filters - Location to find them.)
No I haven’t. I looked at it but didn’t go any further. I’ll look into it tomorrow. Any tips on uploading it would be appreciated
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I did look at people born in Italy but living in Rotherham in 1881 and 1891.
I believe Italy wasn't called Italy until 1861, so some people might have used a regional name for their birthplace.
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I believe Italy wasn't called Italy until 1861, so some people might have used a regional name for their birthplace.
That makes it even more complicated
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that makes it even more complicated
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These are all eliminated

All these boys have the correct date of birth on the transcription of their baptism. The entries where I've also seen the image of the PR are marked with an *

Thomas Carroll, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 05 May 1891, parents Joseph and Anne, Rotherham, St Bede EDIT Eliminated - positively identified in 1939.

Benjamin Samuel Coles, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 20 Aug 1885, parents Benjamin and Myra, Rotherham, Eastwood Methodist EDIT Eliminated - see next few posts

*Horace Duke, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 24 Aug 1890, parents George and Eliza, Wheelwright Inn, Doncaster Gate, Rotherham, publican, Rotherham, Minster EDIT Eliminated - born Sheffield 1884, appears on 1911 census Bentley with Arksey, Yorkshire where he was with his parents in 1911.

*Walter Kennedy, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 19 Aug 1885, parents William and Isabella, Rotherham, wheelsmith, Rotherham, Minster EDIT Eliminated - died 1886

*Charles Moore, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 31 Jul 1885, parents Sam and Jane, Greasbro' St, miner, Rotherham, St Michael & All Angels, Northfield EDIT Eliminated
- With parents 1891, with brother 1901, married by 1911. Appears on 1939 reg with dob 22 Jul 1885.

*Osborn Broughton Nash, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 22 Oct 1885, parents Horace Broughton and Clara Ann, Nelson St, mining engineer, Rotherham, St Stephen, Eastwood EDIT Eliminated, died 1926

Not seeing any Italians!
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All these boys have the correct date of birth on the transcription of their baptism. The entries where I've also seen the image of the PR are marked with an *

Thomas Carroll, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 05 May 1891, parents Joseph and Anne, Rotherham, St Bede EDIT Eliminated - positively identified in 1939.

Benjamin Samuel Coles, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 20 Aug 1885, parents Benjamin and Myra, Rotherham, Eastwood Methodist EDIT can't find any of this family anywhere!

*Horace Duke, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 24 Aug 1890, parents George and Eliza, Wheelwright Inn, Doncaster Gate, Rotherham, publican, Rotherham, Minster EDIT appears 1891 and 1901 with parents, after that I'm not sure....

*Walter Kennedy, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 19 Aug 1885, parents William and Isabella, Rotherham, wheelsmith, Rotherham, Minster EDIT Eliminated - died 1886

*Charles Moore, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 31 Jul 1885, parents Sam and Jane, Greasbro' St, miner, Rotherham, St Michael & All Angels, Northfield EDIT Found in 1891 with parents. Not with them in 1901....

*Osborn Broughton Nash, b 22 Jul 1885, bap 22 Oct 1885, parents Horace Broughton and Clara Ann, Nelson St, mining engineer, Rotherham, St Stephen, Eastwood EDIT Eliminated, died 1926

Why would he say he wasn’t wanted if he was brought up until possibly joining the army with his family.

I’m still thinking foundling
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But Merry's list doesn't mean they were brought up with their family. Sometimes women lied about being married (Merry just solved a mystery for me, the mother lived about being married when she baptised and registered the child). Sometimes parents split up and the child was dumped on reluctant relatives or into a home. "I wasn't wanted" could mean anything from a nasty step parent to complete abandonment.

Off on a flight of fantasy again - Benjamin Cole might be not Italian, but Jewish? Baptised in the Methodist church means nothing. My Jewish mother in law was baptised C of E.

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