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Old 25-11-16, 09:34
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Pausing on the image of Danny's family tree at 24:17 on the iPlayer, I see that Albert Buttivant's great-grandmother's name was Sarah French. Maybe that's where the family story about a French connection originated, and it got garbled over the generations?
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Here is Hannah Sarah in 1851 saying she is the lodgers wife, but Charles isn't there as he was listed with Mary Ann! Hannah Sarah has a son aged 9 as well as the dau Hannah aged 3 who was registered as a Buttivant.

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Old 25-11-16, 10:01
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I've found the image of Albert's birth certificate on iPlayer and it says mother Hannah Sarah Buttivant, formerly Wing. Danny does say Hannah Sarah on the programme, so I must have written it down wrong. Sorry! I will correct the synopsis.
Okay Kate, thanks.

I thought I heard someone say Janet on the program to be honest but like I say I was a bit distracted.
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Here is Hannah Sarah in 1851 saying she is the lodgers wife, but Charles isn't there as he was listed with Mary Ann! Hannah Sarah has a son aged 9 as well as the dau Hannah aged 3 who was registered as a Buttivant.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...nSearchResults
Yep I found the 1851 for Charles and was a bit confused looks like he had two families.
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Here is Hannah Sarah in 1851 saying she is the lodgers wife, but Charles isn't there as he was listed with Mary Ann! Hannah Sarah has a son aged 9 as well as the dau Hannah aged 3 who was registered as a Buttivant.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...nSearchResults
Actually I think they are two different people he names his father John on this marriage, if it is the one on the 1851 with a Mary Ann.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...2028&ml_rpos=1

Actually this marriage is well out it is 1864!

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Old 25-11-16, 10:24
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Here is a banns record for Hannah Sarah Wing and James George King 1843 at St Mary Newington:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...cklabel=Return
Banns of Marriage between James George King Bachelor and Hannah Sarah Wing Spinster a Minor both of this Parish were published (no dates given, all crossed through.) Charlotte King the Mother and Joseph Charles King the Brother of the undermentioned James George King forbad the Banns on account of the latter being already married & has six children, & further stated him to be on unsound mind. ... Charlotte King resides at 3 Sarah Place - Kingsland Road.
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Here is some unseen footage though I would say only worth bothering with if you are a Danny Dyer fan:
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazi...wdytya-footage
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Actually I think they are two different people he names his father John on this marriage, if it is the one on the 1851 with a Mary Ann.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...2028&ml_rpos=1
That's a different couple; that Charles is a Bullivant, not a Buttivant.

This seems to be Charles Buttivant's marriage to Mary Ann - 5 Jul 1830 at Mortlake, Surrey, and her maiden name was Frampton:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...18847254/facts


If it is the same Charles, it would explain why he didn't marry Hannah (and would fit with her previous choice of husband!) There is a public tree on ancestry which focuses on the Buttivant and Gosnold families and which shows both Mary Ann and Hannah Sarah with the same Charles.
http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/32...55864125/facts
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The online GRO birth index has the birth of a William James George King Apr-Jun 1843 Bermondsey, MMN Wing. I think he could be Hannah's son "W. Buttivant" from the 1851 census, because of that banns record from 1843. (Although that ancestry tree shows Hannah having a daughter born 1843 in Westminster, but not much evidence shown for that.)
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If Charles and Hannah didn't marry, that explains why Danny seemed so stuck when he got Albert's birth certificate (when he was still trying to trace a French connection with the Buttivants) - I thought the obvious thing to do next would have been to get Charles and Hannah's marriage cert to see who Charles's father was.
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