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Old 07-09-22, 19:37
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That's right. I think Joseph Ward is the one in Rotherham workhouse in 1891 with (presumably) mother Charlott Ward age 29, "imbecile". (Charlott is the imbecile, not Joseph). Charlott's birthplace is down as Yorks Swinton, but there is a Charlotte Ward age 18, "imbecile", a domestic servant, in Swinton on the 1881 census which must be her. Birthplace is somewhere in Staffordshire. I can't figure out what happened to her. There is a possible Joseph Ward age 17 in Rotherham on the 1901 census, pony driver below ground, born Rotherham.
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There is a Joseph Ward who marries a Sarah Mitchell, but he is only 24 on the 1911 census and on their marriage record he is Joseph Henry Ward, son of Joseph. Then on the 1921 census apparently he is 36 and there is a Joseph Henry Ward death in 1935 (Chesterfield district which fits with where they were in 1921) age 49. So his age on those later records fits with him being born about 1885 and I can't find another birth record - the Joseph Ward born 1886 seems to be the son of a Richard Ward. So I'm not sure whether we can rule Joseph Ward out, but maybe.
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I can't figure out what happened to Charlotte Ward.
Have you tried initials?
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I'm not sure whether we can rule Joseph Ward out, but maybe.
I'd say between maybe and probably!
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re Arthur Kaye/Raye, there's a marriage for a Harriet Kaye to George Wilkinson before 1891 and I found the couple in 1891 but no children in their household. There is a death for an Arthur Wilkinson but he's a bit old (2 in 1886) and there are loads of births for Arthur Wilkinson so the death is prob for one of those.

So, maybe Harriet isn't his mother.

Lol after all that, he's probably Arthur Wray aged 5 b Greasborough, great grandson of Eliza Oxley aged 68. I've only looked for him in 1891 so far. There is a birth reg in that name, but that boy would only be aged 3 (Q3 1887). The 3-year-old is on the census too, at Maltby (in Rotherham district).
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Old 07-09-22, 20:47
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So, at the moment I only have Arthur Wray in 1891 and then in prison for a minor offence in 1903. Released 30th August. Of course Peter joined the army in Dec 1903..........
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Arthur Wray 1891:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource

and offence:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource

(last entry on the page)

Still not found him in 1901 yet. Obviously he must be alive then! I would like to find him then before looking after 1903.
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Still not found anything more.

This Arthur Wray:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...5b&pId=5604319

is not the person we are looking for as he says he was born in Stockton on Tees in 1921. There is a birth reg to fit with that in Q3 1885.
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Oooh, The likely mother of the mysterious Arthur Wray is probably Eliza Ann Wray, sibling of William Wray who is in the 1891 household I posted earlier.

Eliza Ann was listed as 13 in 1881 and she seems to have married in Dec 1886 in Greasborough to Alfred Linley (bride aged 18 groom 24). Interestingly, her father's name was Peter!

Anyway, Arthur Wray is Arthur Linley aged 15 in 1901. He isn't with his parents in 1911 and I can't find him then, but he is on the 1921 census in Pontefract. He seems to have died there later in 1921.

So, that's him eliminated!
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