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16-03-17, 20:13
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Greetings from Rotterdam!
I realize I'm dredging an old post up from the past, but I was googling Twiggy and Grace Meadows to see whether I could find anything new and came upon this forum. In short, I'm the great-granddaughter of William Beeby, a witness at David Crackett's wedding to Lucy Meadows, and Grace Meadows' son-in-law. William married the eldest Meadows daughter, Elizabeth. Therefore, I'm Twiggy's third cousin! I had added the Meadows family and all the details a year or two before settling down with my husband to watch WDYTYA, like I do every week...and while Twiggy was doing her research, I'm thinking, "Heyyyyy, wait a minute...all this stuff about Grace Meadows sounds familiar..." I remember announcing to my husband as a joke, "Well, if the census after she's out of prison shows that she's gone back to her maiden name of Gillies, then Twiggy and I are related!"...And then they showed that exact census and I shouted at the TV, "OMG! I'm related to Twiggy!" It was right out of a TV show in itself! What wasn't mentioned though (and she might not have realized), as she was chuckling about Grace's daughter Lucy marrying David Crackett, a police constable, was that William Beeby was ALSO a police constable! So Grace had two bobbies in the family, which might have made it much easier to go straight!  In short, William and Elizabeth had a boy named Herbert, who married Jessie Bines, and the two immigrated to Canada in 1921. Their son, born in 1930, is my dad and still alive and kicking! My challenge now is go further back...Grace's parents, Meron (nee Borland) and Robert Gillies, moved to London from Manchester, and Meron seems to have been born in Dumfries, Scotland but researching from a distance (albeit from Holland rather than Canada) does limit what I can actually do. And I have found a brick wall with William Beeby as well...I can go back one generation to William Richard Beeby, born in Mears Ashby, Northhamptonshire around 1825, but apparently illegitimate and I have no mother's name either. Onwards and upwards! 
Last edited by Canucky Woman; 16-03-17 at 20:26. 
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16-03-17, 21:49
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Welcome to the forum, Canucky Woman. Sorry to say I don't remember anything about Grace Meadows (well, it is from two and a half years ago!), but will have a read back through and see if I can come up with anything about the Gillies and Beeby families.
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#23
16-03-17, 22:33
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Okay, now I've reread the thread.
This must be Grace's family on the 1841 census: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...cklabel=Return East Side New Road Norfolk St, Mile End Old Town M?????? Gillies 40 S[cotland] David Do 18 Paper Stainer Y Matthew Do 17 Do Y Robert Do 14 Copper Founder Y Grace Gillies 12 Y Mary Do 10 Y John Do 8 Y - Joseph McMinn 8 Y Frances Do 4 Y. Grace's baptism record shows her parents as Robert and Merion: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/15...cklabel=Return The mother's name is Merion on some and Marrion or Marion on some of the other children's baptisms, with Sinclair and Williamson used as middle names for two of the children (so possibly family surnames). This is the marriage which I assume you found: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/29...nSearchResults Robert Gillies bachelor of this parish and town of Manchester tea dealer and Meron Borland of this parish and town of Manchester spinster were married in this church by licence 6 Oct 1822 Witnesses William McMinn, John Glover, Robert Smith clerk. Although this Robert Gillies is a tea dealer, whereas he was a carpenter or similar on the children's baptisms and a draper on Grace's marriage cert, it looks to be the right couple because of the McMinn witness and the McMinns on the census. Findmypast has the marriage licence details: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...hlights=%22%22 William McMinn also named on there and he is also a tea dealer. He makes oath that Robert Gillies and Meron Borland were both born and baptised in Scotland, as was he. On the 1871 census Marion Gillies is 73, born Scotland Dumfries: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...17017016/facts (I realise you will already have all this, but just for reference) There is a public tree on ancestry which has Merion's parents as Dalrymple Borland and Grisel Mounsey, but we will need to check into that to see whether it's correct or not. Hopefully we can connect William McMinn to Merion's family. Think that will have to wait until tomorrow though as it's late here!
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#24
17-03-17, 07:08
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If it helps - Grace is the anglicised version of the Gaelic name Geisel.
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17-03-17, 09:48
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Looking at the McMinns:
There is a Frances McMinn marriage 22 Feb 1857 at St Leonard Shoreditch, to George William Keys. Frances is age 20, father James McMinn (deceased), Engineer. One of the witnesses is Susanna McMinn, bride's mother. http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...cklabel=Return Joseph and Frances were both baptised 19 Jan 1840 at All Saints, Stepney / MEOT, abode St George's Hosp[ital], Westminster. "Quality, trade or profession" is Nurse, but I think that is Susanna's occupation, not James's, as this is Susanna in 1841: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...30617740/facts Susanna McMinn, 35, assistant nurse, St George's Hospital. James McMinn, widower, married Susanna Cumming, spinster, 11 Oct 1825 at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...28886702/facts Doesn't really help with connecting them to Grace's family.
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17-03-17, 10:07
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So, looking at Dalrymple Borland and Grisel Mounsey to try to prove or disprove that they are Merion's parents:
FamilySearch has the following baptisms: William Borland born 29 Nov 1802, baptised 1 Dec 1802 St Quivox and Newton, Ayr, parents Dalrymple Borland and Grizel Maunsay John Borland born 6 Mar 1805, baptised 9 Mar 1805 St Quivox and Newton, Ayr, parents Dalrymple Borland and Grizel Maunsey James Borland born 17 Dec 1808, baptised 18 Dec 1808 Dumfries, father Dalrymple Borland. And the marriage of Dalrymple Borland to Grisel Mounsey 25 May 1793 at Dumfries. Surely they must have had some more children before William, but I haven't found anything yet to show that Merion was their daughter.
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17-03-17, 12:26
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17-03-17, 12:30
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17-03-17, 12:30
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Stupid predictive text! I meant to type GRISEL not Geisel!
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17-03-17, 12:34
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