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Old 28-05-19, 15:50
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Yes that's right - found them as Torplow in the 1891 census - and you will also find the family as Triplow on other sites - but then Eliza disappears from records after this

Priscilla Torplow/Triplow

Eliza Torplow/Triplow

Louisa Torplow/Triplow

Ruth Torplow/Triplow
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Old 28-05-19, 16:00
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There is a Cecilia Lovell at 1 Damer Terrace, Chelsea, on the 1894 electoral register:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...nSearchResults
and on the 1901 electoral register at 67B Tregunter Rd, Kensington and 30 Cremorne Rd, Chelsea.
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Old 28-05-19, 16:11
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Yes Violet was born at 109 Finborough Road - I look through all the records every so often now to see if any other records have become available - or if a living family member going through Great-Aunt Mabel's papers discovers she was actually called Eliza Thrasher or Violet Jezard or another family going through Great-Uncle Edwin's records discovers he was actually called Edward Leslie Court.

With Horace, the Earls Of Devon are styled as Lord Courtenay - there was an Earl who was known to have several illegitimate children in the 1890's - the Earl died in January 1891 and unfortunately Horace was born in January 1893 - even if Horace's mother had not registered Horace's birth in a timely manner it's stretching the imagination too far for this man to be the father - unfortunately the next very religious Earl destroyed any papers relating to these illegitimate children. When asking if the family knew anything about Horace Courtenay born in 1893 the Earls Of Devon did ask 'is he one of ours' ! When Horace died in 1959 his solicitors were unable to trace his birth certificate as he had been registered as Horace Thrasher, the earliest we know Horace as Horace Courtenay is 1901.

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I guess you have already seen Horace and wife Adelaide plus Grace Solomon on the 1939 Register:
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If you can find exact date of birth for Violet we can look for her on there too (just realised Edward had emigrated before 1939!)
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Old 28-05-19, 17:06
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Your Cecilia Lovells sound like the same person as our Sacillia Lovell living in the Kensington and Chelsea areas - can't find her in any census in those areas - just wondered who she was and what her profession was.

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Old 28-05-19, 17:22
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Yes thanks have found the family in 1939 census, poor Herbert Solomon had died in 1936.

Horace, Adelaide and Michael Courtenay and Grace Solomon then went to live in Blackpool for the duration of World War Two so that Horace could continue his war work as the government was getting bombed out in London during the Blitz - we think he was responsible for lighthouses during the war but no records seem to survive of this and then he worked for the Department Of Employment as on his death certificate.
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Old 28-05-19, 17:34
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Thank you Phoenix

The period of illegitimate children and family going missing is the 1890's and early 1900's.

Having looked at where the family lived on various records they seem to be living in quite middle class or even wealthy areas of London - daughter Louisa Thrasher is found in a boarding school in Chelsea/Mayfair in the 1881 census unfortunately no records survive telling us what Louisa was being taught - servants skills, theatrical skills, middle-class home keeping skills - and why not all the girls at boarding school unless they each went for limited periods - Priscilla is a widow as Robert Thrasher died in 1879.

I think the family must have erred on the side of informality as Priscilla supports her daughters with their children without husbands.
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Old 30-05-19, 14:00
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Found it! Violet's birth on her birth certificate is 30 October 1890.

Thanks for your help.
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Old 30-05-19, 16:36
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Ancestry has two Violets with that date of birth on the 1939 Register:

Violet Clark nee Hammersley, wife of Charles J Clark - they married Jan-Mar 1912 West Ham, but I haven't found her birth record yet to rule her out. Their son has MMN Hammersley, so it's not her previous married name.

Violet J[ane] Darbyshire, nee Hollst, wife of James H Darbyshire - they married Jul-Sep 1925 Bethnal Green. There is a birth index entry for her, so we can rule her out.

Findmypast lists some other possibles but I don't know whether they have full dates of birth as I haven't got a sub. (Will check them on ancestry in a little while.)
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I have found Violet Hammersley on census records for 1891, 1901 and 1911, so we can rule her out.
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