Nathaniel Hale

[Sue from Southend]

Found this on the Gloucestershire Archives site -
Memorandum of conviction of Nathaniel Hale of Rangeworthy, beer retailer and shopkeeper, for the crime of possessing two defective weights and a defective pair of scales in his shop, dated 9 May 1835 [printed form]
Date 1835

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/DS...7hale%27%29%29

Perhaps he sold hats and beer??

[Sue from Southend]

And still with Gloucestershire Archives a Nathaniel Hale of Rangeworthy appears on the Overseers Records in 1837 and 1838. There may be more details if you contact the Archives.

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/ge...y/Results.aspx

And if you look at the entry dated 1769 it's for a Nathaniel Hale of Kingswood where your one married....


Edit : Flower Hale also has Overseers records in 1838 http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/ge...y/Results.aspx
She would appear to be child. Did they name any of their children Flower or perhaps the Nathaniel in the Overseers records is their son and she's his daughter??

[Margaret in Burton]

Originally Posted by Sue from Southend

And still with Gloucestershire Archives a Nathaniel Hale of Rangeworthy appears on the Overseers Records in 1837 and 1838. There may be more details if you contact the Archives.

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/ge...y/Results.aspx

And if you look at the entry dated 1769 it's for a Nathaniel Hale of Kingswood where your one married....


Edit : Flower Hale also has Overseers records in 1838 http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/ge...y/Results.aspx
She would appear to be child. Did they name any of their children Flower or perhaps the Nathaniel in the Overseers records is their son and she's his daughter??

I don't have children called Nathaniel or Flower but I have very little info concerning that family.
I did email the archives last night to ask about purchasing copy microfiche, I do have a reader, no reply as yet.

Don't want to appear dim, but what are Overseers records?

[Sue from Southend]

This link describes Overseers Records pretty well. It's the second item down.

http://www.hidden-heritage.co.uk/category/poor-law/

Sometimes these sorts of records are a mine of information giving names of parents, place of birth etc. Another time it could just be the bare bones!

[Margaret in Burton]

I've just emailed the Archives to ask about ref P244 OV 3/2/4/31

Both Nathaniel and Flower are named in that and are from Rangeworthy.

Thanks for your help Sue.

[Margaret in Burton]

Had a reply from the archives and have asked for a quote for a copy. This is their email to me.

I can tell you that P244 OV 3/2/4 contains Removal Orders from the parish of Painswick. This means that Nathaniel and Flower were living in Painswick, but were not originally from there. It is likely they were claiming money from the church under the Poor Law, if they were not from that parish originally, they could be sent back to where they came from.

The quote will take up to 10 working days.

Wasn't even 10 hours lol

£6 + £1 P&P

Will be sending off for that.

[Margaret in Burton]

Asked about buying copy microfiche.

Can't supply as they don't have copyright.

OK I understand that but their answer after that is ridiculous.

I am afraid that in the case of the Parish of Rangeworthy permission has not been granted, we do not hold copyright and so are unable to supply duplicate copies of the fiche. We are able to supply a paper copy of an individual BMD entry from these fiche for a charge of £6.00 per entry if the exact date, name and event is supplied. On receipt of a completed order form and remittance, we will conduct a search for the entry on the date supplied by you, but cannot guarantee that this event will be found on that date. The stated fee on the form includes both the time it takes to search for the event and to have one copy produced of the entry. However, if the search is not successful, this fee will cover the search time onl

If I knew the exact dates then why would I need the info from them?





I have told that that in a reply email.

[Sue from Southend]

I suspect that they're just covering their backs Marg! I'd have thought that the details you've supplied from their database should be enough.
Were you hoping to browse the Rangeworthy Prs by buying a copy of the fiche? As they can't supply that they're just saying that they won't do it for you! Some Archives will do something like that for an hourly charge with no guarantees but it can work out very expensive.
The Settlement/Removal papers may give you a lot of the information.

[Margaret in Burton]

Originally Posted by Sue from Southend

I suspect that they're just covering their backs Marg! I'd have thought that the details you've supplied from their database should be enough.
Were you hoping to browse the Rangeworthy Prs by buying a copy of the fiche? As they can't supply that they're just saying that they won't do it for you! Some Archives will do something like that for an hourly charge with no guarantees but it can work out very expensive.
The Settlement/Removal papers may give you a lot of the information.

Yes I'm ordering those overseers records.

I asked them about buying copy fiche for the parish registers.

It just annoyed me that they would need the exact date of a baptism, marriage, burial before they could supply me with any info. I wanted to buy the fiche to get that info. If I knew it already then I wouldn't have asked to buy the fiche.

[Phoenix]

Marg, if they are anything like our local archives, they are hugely overstretched, with masses of admin to do and very little time even for cataloguing & conservation.

Now that I have home internet, I'm able to do "proper" research but am finding that some searches which ought to be simple are taking forever: poor quality images, entries not in chronological order etc etc.

The staff are unlikely to be deliberately obstructive (though I have met a few!) just very overworked and unable to spend much time on queries. Our staffing levels are down by 25%, in the whole arts sector over 30 people were made redundant, and those remaining have to take on extra duties.