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Yes, Thomas jr was baptised 10 Nov 1730, son of Thomas and Elizabeth
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A son of that marriage would have been born before 1744, but could well be the one marrying Elizabeth Olson in 1784. That would have made him an uncle of JB the silkman, which also makes sense. |
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The Thomas who married in 1784 was a bachelor (from the marriage allegation) and the son of Thomas and Eliz would be aged well into his 50s. Fairly unusual for a first marriage. Not impossible of courseā¦.
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I have found one or probably two other branches of the Bray clan that held its baptisms at St. Michael, Stoke, with parents also named Thomas and Elizabeth Bray.
There is a record for a Thomas Bray, with parents T&EB, who was baptised on 15 July 1756, and a likely burial record in Bedworth in 1840, for a TB aged 86. Since the daughters of the TB who married Elizabeth Olson lived at Bedworth, I think this is probably the one who married Elizabeth Olson in 1784. There were 9 Bray children baptised at Stoke between 1760 (Elizabeth) and 1776 (Lydia) with parents named T&EB. Sadly, one of those, baptised in 1766 was also named Thomas, and in my search that baptism was somehow linked to a burial of a TB in 1767. That may be an error, since another TB was buried that year, but it is hard to imagine that that this T&EB named another child Thomas if they were also the parents of the one born in 1756 and still living. Without the extra TB baptised in 1766, I would have concluded that the TB born in 1730 (son of TB the butcher and Elizabeth Green) married another Elizabeth and was the father of all those children. That would easily bridge the 57 year gap. But that extra record for the 1766 baptism casts doubt that line of argument, and suggests that there were two couples with the same names having the children baptised in the same church. I realize this is a particularly circuitous rabbit hole, and that chasing down the TB connections does nothing to advance my main goal of tracing ancestors. But the lack of clarity is frustrating. However, maybe we should let it go for now. |
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Elizabeth 1760 Easter 1762 Jonathan 1765 Nathan 1765 John 1767 Elizabeth 1769 Richard 1772 James 1774 Lydia 1776 There is a Thomas Bray bap in 1766 but his parents are Jonathan and Elizabeth. I would think Mary 1754 Thomas 1756 William 1758 are also children of the same T&EB as the only marriage for a T to an E in these years is this one: Name: Thomas Bray Gender: Male Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1753 Marriage Place: Holy Trinity,Coventry,Warwick,England Spouse: Elizabeth Collier Quote:
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It is a only a small leap of faith (and one consistent with the principle of Occam's razor) to identify this TB with the one baptised on 10 Nov 1730, and that would make the TB Senior on the 1821 Lease and Release a first cousin of JB the silkmercer. I appreciate your sympathetic comments about the lack of clarity being a motivating force. I have also located a family tree on https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...scape/MJSD-XYC which deals with the marriage of TB to Mary Vice. I plan to see if I can add to it, based on the research covered in this thread. |
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