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Old 08-09-22, 22:56
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As I said before, I already went through and picked out all the boys born in Rotherham in that quarter with no MMN on the GRO site and the ones I posted up were the only ones I hadn't already eliminated.
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Old 08-09-22, 23:04
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Oh sorry, I'd missed that, too.

I've had a quick look for births with the name Pietro or Piero (Italian equivalent of Peter), but there's nothing in Rotherham, and nothing else jumps out so far.
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So, is the situation now that if Peter was born in July 1885 and if he was born in Rotherham, then he was either registered as a legitimate child of a couple (be the couple real or imaginary) or he wasn't registered within the legal time frame or at all?

I did look at FMP for any babies anywhere in the country with mmn recorded as 'Unknown'. In the whole of 1885 there were 21 matches (I don't know how complete FMP's transcriptions of mmn are though). None of these were in Yorkshire. 13 of them were girls. 7 of the other 8 are (it was quicker to copy/paste from the GRO!):

MORRIS, WILLIAM HENRY UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 741

UNKNOWN, FREDERICK GEORGE AINSWORTH UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 479

UNKNOWN, FRIDAY COPELAND UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 933

UNKNOWN, GEORGE CLEGG UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 252 Occasional Copy: B

UNKNOWN, - UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 48

UNKNOWN, SAMUEL PHILIP UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 313

UNKNOWN, VICTOR LANE UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 553

This one appears as Unknown Unknown on FMP and in both formats on FreeBMD (I'm sure it's the same baby as there are 11 names recorded for page 651 where the max number would normally be 10):

UNKNOWN, PHILIP JAMES NETHERHALL UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 651

This last one has mmn - rather than Unknown on FMP:

UNKNOWN, - UNKNOWN
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 32

I've not looked to see if I can find any of the above anywhere else yet. This was more about getting a sense of how many births were potentially foundlings in a given year.
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I suppose it could equally be that he was legitimate (or described as such at birth) and his mother then took up with another man who resented him?
Best Mate had a fair few City ancestors who pretended they were married or changed names they disliked.
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He made up a name for his father on his marriage certificate. Well, I assume he made it up. It says, Thomas Harrison deceased.
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This might be William Henry Morris -

William Henry Morris born 24 July, 1885 Union Workhouse, baptised 4 August Christ Church Lancaster, son of William Henry Morris labourer and Emma.

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Edit - not immediately seeing a marriage for WHM to an Emma.

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I've just been through his army record. So he enlisted in the KOYLIs in December 1903 at Castleford, which was then in the West Riding, and as part of that process he had a medical examination at Pontefract, during which he gave his place of birth as Ashby de la Zouch.

Also, although he joined a Yorkshire Regiment, he gave his home address as 139 Swadlincote Road, Woodville. I don't have FMP, but if PHH was living there in 1903, who was living there in 1901? Would an address search help at all?

Yours, over-invested and probably not being much help.
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I've just been through his army record. So he enlisted in the KOYLIs in December 1903 at Castleford, which was then in the West Riding, and as part of that process he had a medical examination at Pontefract, during which he gave his place of birth as Ashby de la Zouch.

Also, although he joined a Yorkshire Regiment, he gave his home address as 139 Swadlincote Road, Woodville. I don't have FMP, but if PHH was living there in 1903, who was living there in 1901? Would an address search help at all?

Yours, over-invested and probably not being much help.
Isn't that his address in WW1, rather then his address in 1903?
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