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21-06-18, 05:51
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Hi , it s took me a while to understand the Smallshaw , Holland connection , I think I get it now . Margeret Smallshaw had illigimate children before she married into the Holland Family so they would have taken the Holland name once she married . She had a lot of Children . ! So Mary Thomas and Esther are illegitimate. And then Margeret marries into the Holland Family . I think I've got it !
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21-06-18, 06:02
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Margaret was born a Smallshaw but used her stepfather's name of Holland (at least on the 1841 census. She had three illegitimate children registered as Holland and were Holland in 1841, but used Smallshaw on the 1851 census. The child we have looked at married as a Smallshaw.
Margaret married widower Thomas Gaskell who already had some children. She had two Gaskell children during the marriage. Then Thomas died. Next Margaret had another illegitimate child, Henry Gaskell. Then she re-married to William Holland and had more children. I don't know how many as I didn't look after 1861, but she was in her mid-40s by then, so maybe just the three that were on the 1861 census with her. I think the family were pretty fluid with what surnames they decided to use at which date and why! (Smallshaw, Holland, Gaskell, Holland)
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04-09-19, 07:34
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You haven't given us any details of what you are looking for or what entries are the furthest back you have at the moment!
I have spent all the available time I had just reading back this thread and wonder if these three posts are where you are up to with the Whalley line? Quote:
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John Walley and wife Mary Swift both rounded down (probably) to age 40 in 1841, married in 1920 in Prescot. I don't know if the 1851 census for the above couple is also on this thread. I may have missed it, but that's what you need next, in the hope you can get a better idea of their ages and pick up their birth places.
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04-09-19, 07:42
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I don't have time to type this out now, but this may be what's left of the family in 1851:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...2195_2195-1578 John Whalley aged 49 b Rainford labourer. Widower. Still has Ellen and Mary at home, but Ellen's age may have been rounded down in error in 1841 (aged 10 to aged 24)
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04-09-19, 07:50
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Ooh, John may have remarried to Jane before 1861 (think the address is the same as 1851?) so there's a chance of finding his father's name from the 2nd marriage.
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04-09-19, 07:54
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Marriage: 25 Dec 1854 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Whaley - (X), Labourer, widower, Rainford Jane Ball - (X), widow, Rainford Groom's Father: John Whaley, Labourer Bride's Father: George Derbyshire, Labourer Witness: Peter Dearden, (X); Elizabeth Dearden, (X) Married by Banns by: S Cavan Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 30, Entry 59 Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2 Baptism: 25 Nov 1798 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England John Whalley - Son of John Whalley & Sapphyra Born: 7 Nov 1798 Abode: Rainford Occupation: Husbandman Register: Baptisms 1765 - 1812, Page 52, Entry 9 Source: LDS Film 1657568
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04-09-19, 10:32
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I think Sapphyra is probably supposed to be Sophia!
Siblings: Baptism: 2 Oct 1796 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England Robert Whalley - Son of John Whalley & Sophia Born: 16 Sep 1796 Abode: Rainford Occupation: Husbandman Register: Baptisms 1765 - 1812, Page 47, Entry 7 Source: LDS Film 1657568 Baptism: 7 Mar 1802 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Mary Whalley - Daughter of John Whalley & Sophia Performed at: Skelmersdale Chapel Register: Baptisms 1794 - 1812, Page 5, Entry 41 Likely marriage: Marriage: 16 Dec 1793 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England John Whalley - (X), this parish Sophia Rothwell - (X), this parish Witness: John Hesketh; Jno Hankin Married by Banns by: Jno Kirkby Curate Register: Marriages 1784 - 1812, Page 103, Entry 415 Source: LDS Film 1849664 Source: LDS Film 1849663
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04-09-19, 11:04
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I found these too.
All at St Peter and St Paul, Skelmersdale Chapel Ellen, bp 17 Mar 1805 James bp 20 Dec 1807 Mary bp 3 Mar 1811 Parents John Whalley and Fiah. OC
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