seabrook/hazell

[bert]

I never looked for Mary Williams nee Seabrook in the 1891 census maybe she remarried j don't know but if so her 2 children 15 and 11 would have been with her I would think.
As for her getting baptised in 1890 might be because she changed religion, dont know.
Bert

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Merry

Mary is with Richard Williams and their children in 1881 and 1891. At Blackie's Buildings in 1891.

Yes bert, the two children you mentioned (Richard and Robert) are with Mary in 1881 and 1891. In 1891 there's also Isaac 7, Esther 6, Martha 2 and William 2 mths.

In 1901 they are back at Denison St with Martha 12, William 9 and Michael 7.

In 1911 Mary is a widow at 32 Denison St. She says she is aged 53 (her age had gradually crept down over the years!). She has filled in the details of the number of children she'd had, thought she shouldn't have done as she was widowed - she says married 37 years and 13 live births, 5 children surviving, 7 dec'd. She has listed William 19, Michael 17 and Martha 21 as living with her, but Martha's entry is crossed through. There's also a boarder and a servant who is probably just the boarder's wife.

[Merry]

Some baptisms of children of Richard and Mary Williams:

St Paul's, Liverpool

Born 17 May 1876, Bap 18 Jun 1876, Richard Thomas, address 16 Hillfield St, father's occ Ship's steward
Born 23 Nov 1878, Bap 6 Feb 1879, William Isaac, address Key Street, occ Mariner (death reg Q1 1879)

St Peter's, Liverpool

Born 28 Jan 1880, Bap 15 Feb 1880, Robert, Key St, Mariner
Born 10 Sep 1882, Bap 25 Sep 1882, John Isaac, Gibraltar Row, Mariner (Death reg Q4 1907)
Born 23 Nov 1887, Bap 13 Dec 1887, John, Regent Road, Mariner (there are several possible deaths for this baby before 1881)
Born 3 Oct 1889, Bap 15 Oct 1889, Martha, Regent Road, Mariner

I'm wondering if after Mary's baptism any further children were baptised at a church not available online? Clearly I don't have all the ones born before that either!

I didn't really find any where I wasn't sure they were the right family, so it's likely they had some children who died before baptism too.

[Shona]

In the 1851 census, we found Mary Ann Seabrook, a 50-year-old Irish-born widowed charwoman, living with her son, Robert, her 'sister', Eliza McMullen, and Eliza's son, James.

This looks like Eliza in 1841:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...l=ReturnRecord

James McMullen, 30, labourer, b Ireland
Eliza McMullen, 25, b Ireland
James McMullen, 10
Hugh McMullen, 5
Eliza McMullen, 3

The children were born in county.

It therefore appears that the McMullen family had pre-famine roots in Liverpool.

James McMullen married Eliza Finimor on 7 July 1827 by banns at Liverpool St Peter. Both of the parish and both made their mark.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/21...l=ReturnRecord

There are baptisms in the Catholic records for Jacobi McMullen and Eliza Fenemor (and variant spellings):
- Bernardus, born 20 February 1829, bpt 22 February.
- Joannes, born February 12 1832 and bpt same day
.- Hugo, born 18 April 1834, bpt 20 April.
- Eliza, born 13 April 1838, bpt 15 April.

Bernard died as a baby and was buried on 6 May. The register records his father as a labourer and Papist.

[kiterunner]

So it is likely that Mary Ann was Catholic too, isn't it, Shona? In which case Mary jr's adult baptism could mean that she was not baptised at all as a child? Perhaps because she was illegitimate?

[Merry]

a 50-year-old Irish-born widowed charwoman

Aged 30, not 50

[Shona]

Originally Posted by Merry

Aged 30, not 50

*curses arthritic fingers*

[bert]

Gday Shona.
I think you may have 2 McMullin families in your posting of 104
None of the children are in the 1841 census
St Peter was a Parish Church of England
St Pauls I don't know where it was.
Bert

[bert]

Gday Merry
Post 103
This family have been busy, all those kids.
And I notice none have Latin names.
I think Mary had an adult baptism because she did not belong to John, I think it was practice in those days for widows to sleep around for money as there was no pension for seaman widows, and living in the courts in Denison Street and Gibraltar Row must have been horrid, I wonder if John didn't die or just sail off into the sunset.
Bert

[Merry]

think you may have 2 McMullin families in your posting of 104
None of the children are in the 1841 census

Three of the children are on the 1841 census in post 104.