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I'm about to send for the marriage certificate for Alexander Bell and Mary Ann Dougall, who married in Q1 1875 in the Newcastle-upon-Tyne registration district.

Mary Ann was born Harley and married William Dougall in 1873. He died in Q4 1874 then she married Alexander.

Please could someone tell me if Newcastle-upon-Tyne marriages are viewable online? For most of this tree the marriage records have been online and I don't want to waste my money only to find the marriage lurking online.

I need to find out more about both of these people.
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Old 26-01-22, 10:49
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That's going to be Northumberland, rather than Durham, isn't it?

There's lots of Durham online, but I haven'r been so successful finding Northumberland stuff.
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Newcastle City Council have their own BMD index site, but it doesn't show the name of the church or register office. Not much help. I don't think any of the sites have many Northumberland PR's. FamilySearch may have some which aren't indexed, but it wouldn't be much use if we don't know which church to look at, or if they even got married in church. Though isn't there a site which figures that out from GRO references?
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Never mind, I looked on the Marriage Locator site and it said "Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located between entries for Newcastle RO (RD: Newcastle upon Tyne) and Cullercoats St Paul (RD: Tynemouth)." So no help there either.
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Thanks for looking, Phoenix. I think I'll have to order it.

I think Alexander's father is Francis. Alexander's age fluctuates from census to census.

1851 Census - there seem to be 2 records for the same family.
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2408 Folio 52 Page 47
44 Quality Row, All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland
Francis Bell Head Mar 37 Stocking Maker Scotland
Mary Wife Mar 40 Scotland
Elizabeth Daur 10 Scotland
James Son 8 Scholar Scotland
Mary Ann Daur 5 Scholar Scotland
John Son 3 Scotland
Alexander omitted

Archive reference HO107 Piece number 2408 Folio 56 Page 54
66 Quality Row, All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland
Francis Bell Head Mar 37 Stocking maker employs 2 men Scotland
Mary Wife Mar 40 Stocking maker Wife Scotland
Elizabeth Daur 10 Scholar Scotland
James Son 8 Scholar Scotland
Mary Ann Daur 6 Scotland
Alexander Son 3 Scotland * Transposed with John so DOB 1850
John 1 Northumberland, Newcastle
Mary Scott Lodger W 18 Scotland
Charles Parker Lodger U 25 Scotland
Robert Eliott Lodger U 30 Scotland


1861 Census
Francis Bell Head Mar 45 Stocking Weaver Scotland
Mary Wife Mar 46 Stocking Weaver Wife Scotland
Elizabeth Daur Un 21 Stocking Weaver Scotland
James Son Un 19 Stocking Weaver Scotland
Ann Daur Un 16 Scholar Scotland
John Son Un 14 / Scotland
Alexander Son Un 12 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne DOB c. 1849
Robert Son Un 9 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne


1871 Census - would like more proof this is the correct family!
Prudhoe Street, St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
Archive reference RG10 Piece number 5088 Folio 6 Page 5
Francis Bell Head Mar 60 Marine Store Dealer Scotland
Mary Wife Mar 62? Scotland
Ann Daur Unm 21 Wool Carder Scotland
Alexander Son Unm 18 Labourer Newcastle DOB 1853
Robert Son Unm 16 Marine Store Dealer Newcastle

1881 Census
Alexander Bell Head Mar 28 -? Labourer -? Newcastle on Tyne DOB 1853
Mary A Wife Mar 24 Newcastle on Tyne
John J Son 9 Newcastle on Tyne
Mary A Daughter 5 Newcastle on Tyne
Catherine Daughter 1 Newcastle on Tyne

I can't find the family in 1891.

In 1895 Mary Ann Bell, the mother, married Frederick George T Sinton.
She is with him in 1901 and 1911 with him using the name George. They had 2 further children.

I need a death for Alexander Bell.
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Looking at the Newcastle entries on Dusty Docs, a lot of the parish entries say "now removed from FamilySearch". I think you will have to order the marriage cert.
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Thanks for looking, Kate.
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George Sinton and Mary Ann (Harley/Dougall/Bell) had the following children:

SINTON, GEORGE HARLEY
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 128

SINTON, MARGARET ALEXANDER HARLEY
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 139

I found them on the 1891 Census, with Mary Ann's children recorded as Sinton.

The previous marriage I had must be incorrect.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcr...1%2F0028918821
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I assume John J Bell is John James Harley b 1893?

There don't seem to be any birth registrations after 1879. Pity we can't search by MMN as I bet that whatever happened to Alexander, she was with someone else by 1891.
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Oh, poor John James! I wonder what details he gave if he married!
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