Christopher Eccles (MFFFFF)

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Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Christopher Eccles

Date and place of birth
Unknown - according to the census of 1841 he was 50 years of age, so born between 1787 and 1791.

Names of parents
unknown -

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
married Martha Ackers, 6 Dec 1827 at Manchester Collegiate Church/Cathedral

The link to Martha - http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...=martha+ackers

Children - Eliza (bap 1826) John (bap 1826), William (1828), Elizabeth (1831- census) Christopher (bap 1832), William (1841 - census)

The link to son John - http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ht=john+eccles

Occupation(s) - if any
1841 census - h.l. weaver


Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).

1841 - Short St Ancoats, Manchester

Date, place and cause of death
bef 27 Nov 1842, Manchester.

Date and place of burial.

27 Nov 1842, Manchester Collegiate Church of Our Lady, St Denys and St George (later Cathedral) 48 years

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable

none known


After many searches of the IGI, non-conformist bmd registers and Lancashire online parish clerks, I think Christopher could have been the son of Sarah Eccles, baptised in 1786 in Darwen Lancs. He is not the son of George and Ann Eccles baptised in 1790 as the non-con. bmd registers have a burial for that child in 1793.

But there also seems to several Eccles families in Manchester, just none with a son Christopher in both the IGI and Lancs Online Parish Clerks.

There seems to be some link to the non-conformists as many of his descendents are buried in non=conformist parts of Phillips Park and Manchester Southern Cemetery, although they used the Collegiate Church/Cathedral for baptisms and weddings.

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I have just noticed something is wrong here - the IGI gives the marriage date as 6 Dec 1827, but two baptisms for their children supposedly took place on 3 Sep 1826.

Why have I never noticed this before ?

Definitely a trip to the LDS libray to prowl through the microfilm seems to be necessary now


Diane

[Margaret in Burton]

This burial from the NBI

27 Nov 1842 Christopher ECCLES aged 48
Lancashire Manchester, Cathedral (formerly Collegiate Church)

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Originally Posted by Margaret in Burton

This burial from the NBI

27 Nov 1842 Christopher ECCLES aged 48
Lancashire Manchester, Cathedral (formerly Collegiate Church)

Thanks Marg, I thought I had only the burial date, but silly me did not make a note of where it came from and somewhere along the way its become the date of death.

This age puts his birth date in 1794 or very late 1793, not that thats much more help.

There's a marriage for a Christopher Eccles and Alice Grange in Manchester in Nov 1794, but I have never found any children for them. I would have expected too, that his fathers name was John, not Christopher, but whos to say, really.

I wonder if there are still graves at Manchester Cathedral ? I don't expect a headstone as the family was not well off.

Back to the burial records for me now - I think I will buy the new one, if Manchester is covered !! It could solve some mysteries.

Di

[Margaret in Burton]

Here's the ref for his death cert:

Dec qtr 1842
Manchester
Vol 20 page 475

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Originally Posted by Margaret in Burton

Here's the ref for his death cert:

Dec qtr 1842
Manchester
Vol 20 page 475

Thanks Marg, I might send for it.


Di

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Recently, Ancestry ThruLines has suggested 3 DNA matches who seem to descend from 2 aunts and one uncle of Christopher Eccles born circa 1794.

As I cannot be sure of Christopher's actual birth and who his parents were, this was surprising to me.

However, the algorithm has made the leap of faith and joined cobbled together Christopher Eccles b 1760, Sarah Eccles b 1760, Margaret Eccles born 1778 and John Eccles born 1783. Besides my own, eight family trees (4 Sarah, 2 Margaret, 2 John) have been used, so now I am trying to build a tree (or 2) up from the DNA matches.

It's going to be hard though - I just started on the first one, finding Annie Eccles born about 1868 - there are at least 2 born in Blackburn 1867-1869. Let alone what I will find with John Eccles her father.

One of the DNA matches has the surname FISH, which makes me think of OC and her Fish Fish Fish! Maybe I will come across him.

I did get the death certificate for Christopher Eccles, it gives really no more information than I knew, but the person who registered the death was Joseph Ackers, who could be his father-in-law.

Other than that, I feel that Eccles, Ackers and Etchells (also from a DNA match) seem to be variations of the same surname, and the various misspellings and interpretations are a nightmare.

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How much DNA do you share with the 3 DNA matches, marquette?

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18, 13 and 9 cMs with the three.

I got back 4 generations with 9cM match, can't figure out the great great grandfather, too many John Eccles and no trees with any clues.

With the 13cM match I got back the same, the great great grandmother's marriage and parents don't track with the Freebmd and GRO indexes.

With the 18cM match (he's the Fish) ThruLines have the wrong great great grandmother, according to GRO index with Mothers Maiden name.

I need at least another 2 or 3 generations to get back to the 1760s. I will spend some more time on them but I know its going to take a lot more.

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I have some low matches like that on ThruLines where I know the connection shown by Ancestry is completely wrong.