Who Do You Think You Are - Gareth Malone 10th Sep

[Margaret in Burton]

Dave and I found this one fascinating. It so reminded us of the struggle to find anything on my grandfathers brother George Newey. He too was 'on the stage'. I have found articles about him in The Stage magazine but we still don't know what happened to him after 1912 when he returned from the USA

[kiterunner]

There is a Patrick Loury death Apr-Jun 1839 Leeds and a Mary Lowry death Oct-Dec 1840, also in Leeds, which could explain why I can't find them on the 1841 census.

Here is Patrick's burial:
West Yorkshire records on ancestry
Patrick Lowry, Married Man, Wheeler Street, 21 May St Mary's, 46 yrs.

[Guinevere]

I really enjoyed this one. I agree there was too much padding but, on the other hand, I'm fed up with military stuff.

[Ann from Sussex]

I thought it was really interesting. Wish I could find something out about the "theatrical agent" in my own tree but his census entry is all I know about his work. Gareth and his family undoubtedly knew a lot about Dan Lowry and Edmund Payne but they probably didn't know all the detail and I enjoyed seeing the story unfold.

Edit to say: I did wonder how they knew which of the two voices on the recording was Edmund's.

Some of my Cornish family from the Lizard area had combination's of Lawry/Lory etc

[kiterunner]

I've only just realised that Gareth's mother's maiden name was White, not Payne! Will go back and edit my synopsis... but I'm confused.

[kiterunner]

If my internet wasn't going so slow, I would rewatch the beginning of the episode to get a good look at that family tree, but from looking at BMD indexes, it looks as though Gareth's grandfather was born a Payne but then his mother married Harry White in 1932? Or am I getting something wrong somewhere?

[Ann from Sussex]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

If my internet wasn't going so slow, I would rewatch the beginning of the episode to get a good look at that family tree, but from looking at BMD indexes, it looks as though Gareth's grandfather was born a Payne but then his mother married Harry White in 1932? Or am I getting something wrong somewhere?

I noticed the discrepancy last night Kite. Gareth's mother was Sian White, his grandfather was Edmund White, can't remember the name of his father but think it was Payne and the music hall performer was also Edmund Payne. It didn't show that Gareth's grandfather was the son of a Payne daughter so I was left wondering how they ended up being called White.

[kiterunner]

Okay, I have managed to watch on the iPlayer and pause on the close-up of the family tree, and it shows Edmund Payne (1864-1914) married Emily Saxon (1864-1899) in 1888, with son Harry Payne born in 1898 (I think, the picture was a bit fuzzy.) Harry is shown as marrying Dorothy Harris (born 1897) in 1920, with their son Edmund born 1921, and then Dorothy marrying a William White in 1927. Presumably Edmund took his stepfather's surname. It shows Harry's date of death as 1964.

So, a few things to check there...

[kiterunner]

Births Jan-Mar 1921
Payne Edmund J, MMN Harris, Greenwich 1d 1744