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hi , I am still trying to establish ellen callen s mother ciceley callen's maiden name . Ellen born in 1824 princess st wigan . Can't go any further than this , I have been told that a marriage of William grimshaw and ellen calland in 1844 are the same person , but the dates don't tally . Plus I have got ellen callen's child's record from Glasgow and she is definetly Callen on the certificate and not calland as seen in a marriage of 1844 all saints . I don't know if it was common to change names , but maybe someone else will know I need to establish her parents roots , as there are plenty of callens in Scotland , Any help gratefully received . Thanks
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Welcome to the forum!
There are two baptisms for babies named Ellen Callen dau of Wm and Ciceley, though at the moment I can't find a burial for the first child: Ellen Callen b 1 Feb 1824 bap 17 Apr 1824 Wigan, All Saints, father William Callen, mother Ciceley Callen Ellen Callen b 1 May 1825 bap 17 Jul 1825 Wigan, All Saints, father William Callen, mother Cicely Callen The second Ellen was born baptised from Princess St. Other children who appear to have been born to this couple are: Margaret 1827 Elizabeth 1829 Richard 1832 Ciceley 1837 Margaret 1839 William 1841 Peter 1845 There may be others as I didn't try every permutation! So we might expect them to have married about 1824 and they should be on the 1841 census and hopefully later censuses too. This may be their marriage: Marriage: 31 Aug 1823 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England William Calland - (X), This Parish Ciceley Walker - (X), This Parish Witness: Edwd Fell; William Webster Married by Banns by: Jonathan Topping Curate Register: Marriages 1818 - 1824, Page 275, Entry 823 Source: LDS Film 1562960 What child was born in Glasgow? I am moving this thread to our Research board.
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These names seem familiar to me - I think we need to read through this old thread:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...hlight=calland Also this one: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...hlight=calland Callen / Calland would not be a case of changing their name, just people pronouncing / spelling it differently. A lot of people could not read and write in those days, so they would not be able to tell the clerks etc how to spell their name. |
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Bearkins, when you say that the dates for Ellen don't tally, do you mean because she is 21 on her marriage in 1844 but she was really a bit younger? It was quite common for people to claim to be 21 when they got married because it meant they didn't need to get their parents' permission.
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In Scotland, matters were further complicated in that names were transliterated from Gaelic in many parts of the country. Added to this, there was a process of anglicising surnames. For example, McGilthighnich became McIlheany and eventually Shaw. Mac prefixes were dropped from some names. If there is a Scottish connection, then you would also need to look at McCallan as a variant of Callen. |
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The marriage record for Wm and Ciceley and the baptisms for their children are now available as images on ancestry.
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Looking at the other threads, this is what appears on the 1841 census:
Ince William Calland, 40, coal miner Cicely, 35, labourer Elllen, 15, coal miner Mary, 15 labourer Elizabeth, 13 Richard, 10 Thomas, 6 Margaret, 2 All born in county. I can find the following births/baptisms on Ancestry: Ellen, born 1 Feb 1824, bapt 17 April 1824 Ellen, born 1 May 1825, bapt 17 July 1825 Margaret, born 10 March 1827, bapt 8 April 1827 Elizabeth born 7 Feb 1829, bapt 5 July 1829 Ciceley, born May 1837, bapt 13 June 1837 The 1851 census states that Ciceley senior's place of birth is Upholland, Lancashire. There are two baptisms for Ciceley Walker in Upholland. The first is in January 1803, but this child was buried in February. the second was baptised on 25 March 1804. Father's name is Richard. |
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Hi , thanks for all the info , now need to establish where wlm callen was born , that may prove a little more difficult . Any help gratefully recieved . Thanks
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