Ellen Barton

[kiterunner]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as Ellen Barton
Date and place of birth About 1769, in or near Preston, Lancashire
Names of parents Edmund Barton and Anne Wilcock
Date and place of baptism - if applicable 5 Aug 1769 St John, Preston
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any 26 Dec 1787 at St John's, Preston, to Henry Wood
Occupation(s) - if any Farmer's wife
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1787 - Ingol, Preston, Lancashire
1794 - Ashton, Preston, Lancashire
1805-1810 Ingol,
1823- Grimsargh, Lancashire
Date, place and cause of death 1823 Grimsargh, Lancashire, not got cause
Date and place of burial. 1 Jul 1823 St John, Preston, Lancashire
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable None
Memorial inscription - if any Not found

Link to son's thread:
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum...ead.php?t=9509

[kiterunner]

Ooh, this is good! I had a note I made some time ago saying her parents' marriage might be Edward Barton / Anne Wilcock 28 Oct 1760 at St John Preston, but I couldn't find any children to fill in the gap between then and Ellen's birth - now Lancs OPC has come up trumps! I've found 3 children to fill in that gap, so I'm sure that's the right marriage and can fill Anne's surname in above.

[Trell]

Have been trying to trace ancestors of Thomas Barton born 1810 at Preston. Lancashire OPC gives only one possibility. Born 22 Mar 1810, Bap. 29 Apr 1810 at St John's Preston.
Base child of Ellen Barton. I look for Ellen's Bap. possibly 18 May 1779, daub. of Thomas Barton and Jane, again at St John's Preston. I look for their marriage, possibly married 14 Feb 1775 at St John's Preston, Thomas Barton, Joiner and Jane Alsop.
Do you have any other suggestions for this line from Thomas born 1810?
Trell

[kiterunner]

I don't think your Ellen Barton is the same person as mine, Trell? My Ellen got married in 1787.

What information do you have about Thomas Barton, apart from his year and place of birth? Do you have him on any censuses? Did he marry? Have children? What was his occupation? When and where did he die? Did he leave a will? If you give us all the info that you have, it might make it easier for us to look for possible baptisms etc.

[Trell]

Thomas Barton, born 1810, Lea, Preston. married Margaret Kay 1834 St John's, Preston. Thomas died 1873 at Balderstone, nr Blackburn. Occupation all his life, Farmer. Margaret also died 1873. Both buried at Balderstone.
1841 census through to 1871 census, living Balderstone.
Children - Edmund, born 1835, died 1905
Margaret Elizabeth, born 1842, died 1910
Jane, born 1846. died 1894
Mary Ann, born, 1848. died 1883
Thomas, born 1853. died 1919.

Trell

[kiterunner]

Lancs OPC has this information about the marriage:
Marriage: 2 Apr 1834 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Barton - Bachelor, Balderstone in the Parish of Blackburn
Margaret Kay - (X), Spinster, Elston in this Parish
Witness: John Woods, (X); Ann Ashton, (X)

[Trell]

I refer to my question to you yesterday about who the ancestors of Thomas Barton. I suggested his mother to be Ellen Barton. Thomas being her base child. I also gave suggestions as to her parents etc. Can you help any further?

Regards
Trell

[kiterunner]

Is this the family in 1841, at Balderstone?

1841 census ancestry
Thomas Burton 30 Farmer Y
Margaret Do 30 Y
Edward do 7 Y
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Edward Burton 65 Independent (? not sure if that's what it says)
John Wall 17

The surname looks like Burton, but if you look at the names with an a in them on that page, such as Thomas and Margaret, those a's look like u's too.

Lancs OPC has Edmund's baptism down as Burton too, 6 Jul 1834 at St John Preston, occupation Elston, father's occupation husbandman.

If that is them on the 1841 census then I think it is likely that Thomas is a relative of the Edward who is age 65.

Thomas's ages on the other censuses:
1851 - 43
1861 - 52
1871 - 63
And on the burial 21 Apr 1873, and his death registration, his age is 65.

So this would suggest he was born around 1807-1809, not 1810. Of course ages on the censuses and on burials and deaths are not always accurate.

I will see if I can find anything else...

[Trell]

Yes, this is the same. Thank you.

Trell

[kiterunner]

I'm trying to find a Thomas connected with an Edward or Edmund at the moment.