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Great, 150 posts for me to read!!

So...

Post #15 kiterunner:

All we have about William Hale's birthplace is from the 1841 census, which is just "Yes" for born in Lancashire. I assume his death is the one which was registered Jul-Sep 1849 Ormskirk, age 54. Which would mean he was born about 1795.

Post #56 Me:

Burial: 5 Aug 1849 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Hale -
Age: 54 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1846 - 1852, Page 266, Entry 2126
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Post #44 Me:

Burial: 15 Oct 1824 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Samuel Hale -
Age: 33 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: R Catholic
Register: Burials 1813 - 1825, Page 271, Entry 2162
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Burial: 6 Jul 1840 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancs.
Mary Hale -
Age: 77 yrs
Abode: Ormskirk
Notes: Roman Catholic
Register: Burials 1825 - 1843, Page 462, Entry 1906
Source: LDS Film 1849664

So, now you might want to look for baptisms for William and Samuel at St Anne's plus baptisms for the children of your William and Esther.

Mary Hale, bur 1840, could be the mother of your William and possibly also Samuel! Should you find records that link these people, Mary's death certificate should give the name of her husband if that was known to the informant.

Post #46 You:

Hi , just wondering if William Hale born in 1780 in aughton which is near Ormskirk could be Williams father ?

Post #47 Me:

Sensibly, he is to young to be the father of William born about 1795. William born 1780 might well be the one who married in 1802 to Mary Burrows.

Back to post #43 Me:

Marriage: 6 Dec 1802 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Hale - this parish
Mary Burrows - (X), this parish
Witness: Richard Woosey; John Hankin
Married by Banns by: Will Naylor Minister of Altcar
Register: Marriages 1784 - 1812, Page 190, Entry 762
Source: LDS Film 1849664

Post #122 You:

I have just had word back from lancashire archives. They say there is a catholic birth in ormskirk of a william Hale 1794 . father william mother mary .

Post #123 kiterunner:

You would need to find out if there are other births to the same parents before William's, and see when the first one was, to see whether the 1784 marriage is likely to be the right one or not.

Post #139 You:

i've had a reply to my request for a search for a samuel hale .The archives have said that i have to go and search at the archives myself

I did find a marriage for a william Hale and mary wilson in 1784 aughton but i don't think that the church is a catholic one

Post #140 Me:

Catholic marriages were illegal from 1754 to 1837, so it's not a 'problem' to find marriages of Catholic people in an Anglican church."

Don't you think the fact there are no obvious C of E baptisms on Lancs OPC for the Aughton couple is a good thing for you? You reallly need to get access to the Catholic records to establish when the parents of William (1794) began having children and when they had their last child. At the moment you are doing a jigsaw with only some of the available pieces.

The biggest issue would seem to be, there is no obvious burial for William Hale, the father of Wm bap 1794.

And then just the last few posts that I remember where we discussed some of what was on Mary Hale's 1840 death certificate that you have not paid for. At her death she was the widow of a William Hale.