Thomas Connolly & Edith Sharratt
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I have come up with a couple of interesting points regarding the marriage of Thomas (Patrick) Connolly & Edith Mary Sharratt, Jan 1931.
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Please don't give the name of the possible child though, unless you know for sure that s/he is dead.
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With regard to the child, if it's the one registered in the mother's surname, then, yes, it could be Edith's, but there are quite a few other unmarried Sh?r?tt women in the area and sometimes an illegitimate child would be born away from where the woman lived so that means a load more ladies who might have come in to Cheshire for the birth and then moved on again.
Thomas and Gladys appear to have two children with them in 1939 and they may well be the son of Thomas and Edith and the one child they seem to have had together. I have looked at two other Sh?rr?tt women married soon after 1930 in Wirrel district and both of those have the correct number of children living with them in 1939 to reflect the number born in their marriages. Of course sometimes an illegitimate child (or any child!) ends up living in a different part of the family, so the truth may be different again. Only to add that the 1930 child doesn't appear with the maternal grandmother in 1939, which could have been a possibility. I think you may be stuck with getting the birth cert if you want to find out more about that child! |
Oh, I wish you had said it was the crime that led you to believe that child belonged to Thomas and Edith!! If only I'd looked for the crime first! lol
So, Thomas already had a child by Feb 1931? Yes, it could be the one you were looking at. I wonder which child is missing in 1939? |
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The newspaper article about TPC's crime mentioned he had been disowned by his father. However, Thomas senr may not have been perfect either! I don't have time to go back and post all the links right now, but here:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/...nolly%20wirral he seems to be the co-respondent in a divorce case in 1942. Back in 1939 Thomas senr was living with his wife, Mary Chapman b 1883. George Williams and his wife were together (she was born 1897). Her surname wasn't written, as it was the same as her husband's, but a different hand has squeezed the name Connolly into the space which confused me for a minute! It turns out Mary A Williams (also Drummond) married Thomas Connolly in 1943. There's a likely death for the first Mrs Connolly in Q4 1941. |
Yes, Maggie, this:
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Since this all fits together, we can post the name of the 1930 birth since I have found a death (sure hope I was looking at the same birth you were!)
Ethel Sharratt birth registered Jan-Mar 1930 Wirral, MMN Sharratt (no MMN shown on GRO site) Ethel Sharratt marriage to Neilson Apr-Jun 1953 Chester Ethel Neilson / Sharratt death 2018 Bellshill, Scotland, age 88, MMN Sharratt (on Scotland's People). Will just check back on Ancestry because there was also a death / burial record on there... edit: never mind, that was a different year! |
Since she died in Scotland, I don't think her 1939 Register record will have been opened.
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I was always of the imression it was her who married John Neilson and moved to Scotland? At the time though I wasn't aware of the Ethel born in 1930. I actually have a (verified) photo of the wedding of Ethel & John, although I must admit that I have entered the following note against the marriage entry in my tree: Research Note: This marriage to be confirmed as it would make her 45 at the time, which is probably older than she looks on her wedding photograph. This now leaves me with nothing but a birth 7 May 1908 and baptism 30 Jul 1908 for Ethel (my aunt), who was always elusive and difficult to research. |
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There is an Ethel Sharatt death Apr-Jun 1969 Spilsby district (Lincolnshire), dob 7 May 1908. I will see if I can find her on the 1939 Register.
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No luck with the 1939 Register, I'm afraid.
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Oh, there is an Ethel Jones death index entry matching the Ethel Sharatt one, so maybe she was known as Mrs Jones but not married to Mr Jones?
There is a family on the 1939 Register in Skegness (which was in Spilsby registration district): William J Jones 29 Mar 1900 Lorry Driver Ethel Jones 7 May 1908 Unpaid Household Duties a little girl - name later changed to Collingwood - the fact that the record is open should mean she is deceased but I haven't managed to find a death record and I know some have been wrongly opened so I won't put full details and a closed record. Of course it's easy to go wrong with a name like Jones so I could be on the wrong track! Does Skegness ring any bells with you? |
lol An hour behind you Kate, but I found the same entries!
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The entry that's blanked out in 1939 is probably a birth from Q4 1938, Spilsby district.
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Bellshill (formerly Bothwell)Lanark 19722006 Old RD 566 Today's RD566 https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/resear...tion-districts The other numbers maybe number in register. |
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I've just ordered the birth cert for Ethel Sharratt b.1930 in the hope that it will confirm Edith Mary as her mother.
Also ordered the marriage cert for Ethel Sharratt & John Neilson 1953 to see who Ethel lists as her father (also some info on John Neilson). |
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Both were registered in the Spilsby District. |
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I found a birth registration for a child under the name Sharratt maiden surname of mother Sharratt with the same first name in the 1939 Register in Southwark for Jan 1937, not two registrations though just the one so if that man in 1939 was her father then he wasn't present if it is the right registration and the right child. I suppose it is possible the mother could have been in London in 1937 working in service. |
If the Jan 1937 birth is a child of Ethel's, then there can't be another in Q3 1937. I still can't find the Q3 birth in Spilsby.
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The name of the child on the 1939 Register that you can see may be the middle name and not the first name.
Edit to ask: has anyone found a marriage for this child yet? |
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Ahhh right. |
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I can't find the birth for the Q1 1937. |
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The birth I found was Jan 1937 Southwark London. |
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9 Feb 1930, Maternity Home, Poulton-cum-Spital. Ethel, Girl, Father's name and occupation left blank. Mother, Edith Mary Sharratt, Domestic Servant of 1 Walker Street, Hoylake-cum-West Kirby U.D. Informant, E.M. Sharratt, Mother, Maternity Home, Poulton-cum-Spital. 19 Feb 1930, G.H. Tomlinson, Registrar. 18 Apr 1953 after banns. John Neilson, 22, Bachelor, Plumber, 22a Green Street, Stonehouse, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Father Walter Neilson, Miner. Ethel Sharratt, 23, Spinster, 26 Curzon Park North, Chester. (No father's name recorded). Witnesses M. Smith & R. Cuthbertson. Ceremony conducted by H.J. Williams. From the information on the marriage cert I think John's parents were Walter Neilson & Elizabeth Frew (ScotlandsPeople Marr: 1930 Ref. 656/5 Stonehouse) and that John died in 2017 (ScotlandsPeople Death: 2017 Ref. 577/841 Hamilton), a year before Ethel (ScotlandsPeople Death: 2018 Ref. 566/393 Bellshill). Hamilton & Bellshill are very close to each other. One may have died in hospital and the other at home. |
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