Alexander [Alec] Horace Mack
I want find my Grandfather's family. Please help!:)
Name – Alexander Horace Mack [Alec] 25th Oct 1901, place ? Father, William Henry Mack, maybe died 1912 China Sea with wife? Sea captain? Maybe has a brother, who moved to Canada? Ancestors: maybe from Austria and related to General Mack [could be rubbish]. He was apparently orphaned when he was about 10 and lived with various members of his family maybe with brother. No Addresses as a child, so not found 1901 or 1911 census. Probably lived as a child in the South of England by the sea. Married 6 March 1925 • St Peter's, Hammersmith, London,: Lilian Maud Wood (1904–2000) my grandmother birth 30 NOV 1904 • Merthyr Tydfil Occupation(s) – Estate Agent Auctioneer Military service – no military service, but air warden in London and Bournemouth Thanks! Carol |
Welcome to the forum, Carol.
You probably know this already, but the GRO marriage index has his name down as Horace A Mack, so I assume his name is Horace Alexander on the marriage cert rather than Alexander Horace? Also, he wouldn't be on the 1901 census if his date of birth is correct as the census would have been taken before he was born. Oh, and do you have the names of the witnesses from his marriage certificate, please? |
We need to rule these out in case his surname was not originally Mack (Dec 1901 birth regs):
Edwards Horace Alexander Wandsworth 1d 713 Fitzgerald Horace Alexander Walsall 6b 684 HARDWICK Horace Alec Bedford 3b 308 HURT Horace Alexander Southwell 7b 461 |
I've found deaths for Horace Alexander Edwards and Horace Alexander Fitzgerald, so we can rule those two out. And a likely one for Hurt though it doesn't quite match.
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1939 register:
179 Long Lane , Uxbridge U.D., Middlesex, England Lilian Maude Mack married dob 30 Nov 1904 occ Unpaid Domestic Duties Alexander Donald Mack married dob 25 Oct 1901 occ Builders General Foreman Lilian's dob has been altered from 30 Nov 1908. I cannot see Alec's entry even though it has been transcribed as the image shows it to be redacted, so I don't know if 'Donald' is just a mis-transcription. The transcription suggests there are no other people in their household, but this may not be correct. |
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An Alexander Horace Mack with the correct date of birth died in the Bournemouth area in 1975; is that your grandfather?
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He appears on the English electoral roll for the first time in 1928, at 38 Bloemfontein Ave., Hammersmith. Lilian isn't listed that year, but they're both listed at the same address the next year.
He would have been entitled to vote from age 21, I think, so if he wasn't in the armed forces, I wonder where he was? Maybe Scottish or Irish? Or maybe born and raised abroad? |
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I was also surprised, given they seem to live in the outer London area between their marriage and WW2 (electoral rolls on Ancestry), I can't see any birth registrations for children for this couple in that area. EDIT See posts #10 and #13 |
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Also the public tree on ancestry links to Lilian Maud Woods' birth registered Jan-Mar 1905 Merthyr. |
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Yes, it was FMP I was looking at. I didn't realise they weren't complete!
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When Alec's death was registered in 1975 the informant would have been asked about his place of birth and any info they gave would have been included on the death cert.
If you think it's likely the person who registered the death would have known where he was born then you could order a copy and see what information that gives: Deaths Mar 1975 Mack Alexander Horace dob 25Oc1901 District Bournemouth Volume number 23 Page number 404 |
I see a couple of ancestry trees have him born at Pontypridd Glamorgan. Do you know where that information came from?
Did he live in Branksome Wood Road and later Meyrick Park Crescent in Bournemouth? I lived in Branksome Wood Road in the early 70s and used to visit a house in Meyrick Park Crescent in the 70s and 80s. Small world! |
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Sorry for not reply before!
I had no idea everyone was being so helpful!:o
The witnesses for my Grandfather's and Grandmother's wedding were: E M Butler, A A Badclay? Thanks!:) |
Wedding Certificate:
Horace Alexander [Alec] Mack, 25, Bachelor, Carpenter & Joiner, 60 Weltje Road, Hammersmith, William Henry Mack, Shipping Agent. Lilian Maud Woods, 21, -- 16, Victoria Place, Gilfach Gelly[i]gaer,[near Merthyr] Wales, George Henry Woods, Collier, Witnesses: E.M Butler, A.A. R[B]a[r]dclay No place was given on death certificate for birth. I was always told he never went abroad and that he was brought up on the south coast somewhere with family members after his parents died, when he was about 9. |
He built the house at Meyrick Crescent, Bournemouth and my Grandmother remained there after his death.
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Glad to see you got back to us at last! I've read back through and will have another go.
There are no Macks at 60 Weltje Road on the 1924 electoral roll: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...0_212998-00376 Ancestry doesn't seem to have a 1925 e roll for that street, and they seem to be missing the even numbers in 1926. |
I can't find an A A Badclay or Radclay. Could it be Barclay or Redclay?
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I am wondering if my Great Grandfather was German - Willhelm Heinrich or Heinrich Wilhelm MACK, because Mack is German / Austrian, hence he has not put his place of birth, on his wedding certificate . My Grandfather had said he thought he as related to Austrian Royalty. i found someone who could be my Great Grandfather [Heinrich Wilhelm Karl Mack, Birth: abt 1868, Death: 27 Aug 1911 - Stettin, Preußen (Germany) ? It is in German. I do not know if his occupation was to do with the sea.
Alexander [Alec] Horace Mack |
Could be A. A. Barclay.
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https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true It says "der Kaufmann", i.e. businessman. |
By the way, there isn't much Austrian stuff online yet, so if Alec's father was Austrian he might be hard to find. Also German coverage online is patchy.
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Sorry, I meant he did not give his place of birth, maybe because it was Germany/Austria. My Uncle Robert registered his death. However I have not been able to get any information from any of the family over the years!
You can imagine how frustrating this search is. Thanks for all the help! |
If he (Alec) wasn't a British citizen by birth, I would have thought we could find some record relating to him obtaining British citizenship - he wouldn't have acquired it by marrying a British woman at that time. But I couldn't find anything.
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Maybe his mother was English! I do feel there is a link to the South of England and the sea. He told my mother his father was a ship's captain and he died at sea with his wife, but on the wedding certificate he put his father was a shipping agent.
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He had no accent!
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