Wedding or a funeral? Census was 3 April. There is the death of a Margaret Rimmer Williams in Wrexham, a dozen miles from Llangollen, registered in Jan-Feb-Mar 1881. One of yours?

http://freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/R.html
This from Clwyd Family History Society seems to be a reference to the same Margaret Rimmer:
RIMMER 30 Wrexham: George;
353 Pentrobin:
358 Holywell Town Cemetery MIs: Denis;
*363 Wrexham: Margaret Rimmer WILLIAMS
*375 Wrexham: 13 Mar 1878 bap/o Edward Llewelyn WILLIAMS
s/o Joseph Llewelyn (surgeon) & Margaret Rimmer, Regis Place
*393 Wrexham: 15 Mar 1881 bur/o Margaret Rimmer WILLIAMS, aged 32, Chester St.
Misc: Welsh Wills proved at Chester 1545-1858 (deposited at NLW): Margaret, Conway 19 Mar 1810
RYMER 314 Rhosllanerchrugog:
359 Rhosymedre: Anne, Thomas;
RYMMER Misc: Welsh Wills proved at Chester 1545-1858 (deposited at NLW): Richard, Holt Hill 1671

Thanks for that, Janet, but I don't think there is a connection.

Hmm, here's a turn-up for the books! Now FMP has put the Southport area PR's online, I've had a look at the marriage record, 24 Sep 1856 at Christ Church, Southport, James Rimmer, 21, bachelor, and Ann Marshall, 20, spinster, both of Birkdale. Witnesses Miles Blundell and Ann Rimmer. His father is down as James Rimmer, farmer, which fits my tree, but hers is Richard Marshall, shoe maker. I had her father down as John Marshall, farmer! :eek:

May have to make some serious adjustments to my tree...!

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...MAR/00247473/1

This is the 1861 census entry for John Marshall, who I thought was my Ann's father, with grandson John Rimmer, age 3, born Birkdale.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

My James and Ann have son John Rimmer age 13, born Birkdale, with them on the 1871 census and he is not with them in 1861.

John Marshall's will named three of his children (not including Ann) as executors but then just said everything should be shared between all his children without naming the rest of them.

I haven't managed to find a Richard Marshall, shoe maker, yet. Will have to return to this tomorrow!

Oh dear ...

I'm placing a bet on you eventually having to prove there's a mistake on the marriage record rather than having the wrong family.

Interesting that Ann is recorded as a minor at the marriage. I wonder who gave their consent?


What is the name of Ann's supposed paternal grandfather?

I see it's Joseph (from ToGG).

I had been wondering if Ann's father had given details because he was there to give consent and had somehow given his own father's details! I'm sure you would have thought of that in any case.


I couldn't see how John (the grandson in 1861) could be anyone other than the child of James and Ann. It seemed unlikely the relationship was incorrect as there doesn't seem to have been any Richard Marshalls anywhere in the area at the right time. I did find one other shoemaker, but his name was Joseph Marshall. He looks like he is the elder brother of Ann, dau of John and Jane (b abt 1825 according to the 1851 census). So, there is that occ in the family!