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Old 16-08-12, 09:45
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Another thing - if Jessie was pregnant when she went to the US, then Harry Finkle must have been in the UK at the required time.If so, I wonder why she didn't travel to the US with him?

It is definitely just coincidence that Harry Finkle's middle name was Peter?

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Old 16-08-12, 10:05
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Here are Jessie, Harry sr and Harry jr returning from England to New York in 1929:
NY Passenger List

I haven't managed to find Beatrice returning to England yet.
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Hmmmmmm....!

Alexander Cunningham Ryan's marriage is on FreeBMD - Jan-Mar 1908 Plymouth district, and the two possible brides are Beatrice Winifred Pickford and Clara Ward. I was meaning to get around to looking at his army records on ancestry anyway, and there are three sets listed. The first set is his Scots Guards WW1 papers and it states that his next of kin is wife Beatrice Winifred Ryan of 63 Lilford Road, Camberwell, London SE, and that he married Beatrice Winifred Pickford, spinster, 14.3.08 at the Register Office Plymouth, witnesses B M Launder and H Pickford.
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Something else puzzling me from the army record - the description on enlistment in Sep 1914 includes "Bullet wound lower right chest". The information about his discharge in Apr 1915 says he was shot in action Feb 3rd 1914 at Neuve Chapelle but presumably it should be 1915, not 1914? So was the description on enlistment updated when he was discharged, or was he shot twice?

(Also the records from his original service show his next of kin as father James William and brothers Michael, Peter and William, and the papers from when he was in the RGA show mother Jane Ryan and younger brothers Michael and Peter, no mention of a brother J Ryan, but they did say that was just a guess.)
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Daughter Ryan was born in 1924, mmn GARRAND (someone has done a post-em correction).

I suspect Alexander never married Beatrice and "the marriage broke up quickly" was a face-saving exercise at the time.

Does mean that Beatrice returned to the UK between 1910 and 1924 though!

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The National Probate Calendar entry for Alexander's estate in 1944 is interesting too - RYAN Alexander Cunningham or CUNNINGHAM Jock otherwise Alexander of 15a Roskell road Putney London died 19 November 1943 Probate Llandudo 17 January to Louise Page (wife of Oliver Edward James Page). Effects £483 5s 2d.
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Daughter Ryan was born in 1924, mmn GARRAND (someone has done a post-em correction).

I suspect Alexander never married Beatrice and "the marriage broke up quickly" was a face-saving exercise at the time.

Does mean that Beatrice returned to the UK between 1910 and 1924 though!

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So he had relationships with two Beatrices! I hadn't thought about the dates.
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Well, I did briefly wonder if the two Beatrices were actually the same person but I think that's stretching even my imagination! It was the surname Pickford which made me a bit suspicious.

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There is a Beatrice Winifred Pickford born 1884 E Stonehouse so she is probably the first one.
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There don't appear to be any Ryan/Pickford births.

I cannot find a likely Alexander anyone marrying a Be* anyone but they may have married in Scotland - off to look!

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