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Old 01-02-24, 16:00
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I have a new DNA match who is something like 3rd or 4th cousin to me and they are descended from John William Sewell born 2 Nov 1925 Chesterfield, the son of Walter Sewell and Emily Heath who married at Chesterfield Register Office in 1924. John William Sewell died in 1983. (Walter and Emily also had a son Charles born 1924, but he died in infancy).

This is the 1939 Register entry for John Sewell:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=22068926

159 South St, Adwick le Street, Yorkshire
Dobie John P 4 Oct 1914 married, Underground stone contractor
Dobie Emily 11 Jan 1915 married, Unpaid domestic duties
2 closed records
Sewell John W 2 Nov 1925 At school
Clarke George 19 Jul 1872 divorced, Coal hewer, general worker, old age pension.

John P Dobie married Emily Heath 1933 Doncaster register office.

Can Emily Dobie be John William Sewell's mother? She would have had to knock a good few years off her age! I have found a death for John Philip Dobie in 1981 in Doncaster but not found a death for Emily to see if there is a different dob.

I have two Walter Sewells in my tree, one born 10 Aug 1908 and single on the 1939 Register, so unlikely to be the right one, and another one born 1887 Newark, Nottinghamshire, who I think is probably the one I am looking for. If it is him then the DNA match would be my 3rd cousin once removed which would fit with the amount of shared DNA.

But there are a lot of branches of my Sewell family, so I would like to be sure this is the right Walter before adding Emily, John William etc to my tree, just in case there is another Walter, related to me, who I don't know about. This is "my" Walter on the 1911 census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...3?pId=21097350

Can anyone find anything to help? For instance, what happened to the Walter who married Emily, and what happened to Emily?
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I take it you don't want to contact the DNA match? How on earth would Emily have explained John William to Philip?
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It's not that I don't want to contact them, but that I don't think the DNA match has any info about Walter and Emily, Phoenix.
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My Walter's dob from his birth cert - 1 Apr 1887.
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SEWELL, JOHN WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1158

No mother's maiden name on his birth registration, so are you sure about his parentage?
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if John William Sewell was born in 1925 and Emily Heath Dobie was born in 1915, she is going to struggle to be his mother surely, unless she was really precocious!

In any event, Charles Sewell is registered in 1924 with his mother's maiden name of Heath in the quarter after the marriage. All kushty. John William Sewell, is registered the following year, so after the marriage, with no mother's maiden name.

I don't think Emily can be his mother, or am I missing something?
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What about this family? In Chesterfield in 1911.

Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Walter Sewell 33 Head
Florence Sewell 30 Wife
Walter Sewell 5 Son

Walter Charles Sewell was born in Holloway, London, but Florence Ada (Burton) and Walter Francis Sewell were both born in Chesterfield. Walter C and Florence were married at Trinity Church there on 10 June 1905. Walter F was born in JQ 1906 and baptised on 13 April.

By 1939, Walter C and Florence were in Wanstead Essex.
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if John William Sewell was born in 1925 and Emily Heath Dobie was born in 1915, she is going to struggle to be his mother surely, unless she was really precocious!

In any event, Charles Sewell is registered in 1924 with his mother's maiden name of Heath in the quarter after the marriage. All kushty. John William Sewell, is registered the following year, so after the marriage, with no mother's maiden name.

I don't think Emily can be his mother, or am I missing something?
The GRO site doesn't show MMN for births less than 100 years ago. If you look on FreeBMD, John's MMN is Heath. I don't know whether Emily's dob on the 1939 Register is correct or not.
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What about this family? In Chesterfield in 1911.

Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Walter Sewell 33 Head
Florence Sewell 30 Wife
Walter Sewell 5 Son

Walter Charles Sewell was born in Holloway, London, but Florence Ada (Burton) and Walter Francis Sewell were both born in Chesterfield. Walter C and Florence were married at Trinity Church there on 10 June 1905. Walter F was born in JQ 1906 and baptised on 13 April.

By 1939, Walter C and Florence were in Wanstead Essex.
Sorry but I don't see how they could be Walter Sewell and Emily Heath?
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I don't think they are. I think they're another Sewell family with two Walters who need to be counted in or out.
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