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Grandfather st Helens 1871
Hi , I am trying to trace my Grandfather William Henry Eccleston s birth . I have found him on the 1871 census age 3 months in Eccleston St. Helens The census was collated in April. So I assumed he was born in 1871 . But the only birth I can find of the same name is in 1870 born in prescot . I have checked this birth at the register office . And they told me mother unmarried but yet census does not state that . It may be the grandparents have taken responsibility for him . I seem to beable to find him on the next census age 10 living with Grandparents in parr St. Helens they are the Dixons , so this is a bit of a mystery to me . I also presume that the parents have passed away .in between census's any help gratefully received .
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I haven't got time to look at this now, but certainly if he is listed as 3 months on the 1871 census he may well have been born in December 1870 (so maybe 3.5 months old for instance) and I see the birth reg you enquired about was in Q4 of that year.
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This is the 1871 census entry that you mention:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...nSearchResults 61 Grant Street, Eccleston, Lancashire William Eccleston Head Mar 59 Gardener Lancashire Mary Do Wife Mar 47 Do Elizabeth Do Daur Unm 21 Do George Do Son Unm 19 Miner Do Mary Jane Do Daur Unm 13 Do Beatrice Do Daur 9 Scholar Do Ann Do Daur 6 Do Do William Henry Do Son 3 mths Do and the 1881: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...nSearchResults 158 Park Rd, Parr, Lancashire James Dixon Head Marr 54 Miner St Helens Lanc Alice Do Wife W(?) 57 Wife " " John Do Son Unm 21 Miner " " Hellen Do Daur " 17 " " " William Eccleston Grand Son " 10 Scoler " " If he is the illegitimate son of one of the Ecclestons' children (maybe Elizabeth?) then it would not be unusual for the grandparents to put him down as their own son on the census, or indeed to bring him up as their own son, to look respectable. It looks as though your William married an Ann Grimshaw 14 Nov 1894 at St Paul, Skelmersdale, and the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website has a transcription of the marriage record which gives details of the bride's father but not the groom's, and this would fit with him being illegitimate.
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Hi , yes I was thinking on those lines , but I found a death for William Eccleston , in the area when William Henry was about 8 , so he could have passed away prior to the marriage . I will purchase the birth certificate . As I cannot find another William Eccleston in 1871 , I have looked on all the local parish regs and not found any . So I will have to presume that that birth in prescot his him .
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I also wonder , if the William Ecclestons. Father could be a Dixon as he is living with Granparents in parr 1881 , I'm presuming that this is the same boy the dates would tally .
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There is a Henry Burrows / Elizabeth Eccleston marriage in 1873 at Prescot Register Office (according to Lancashire BMD).
This looks to be that couple in 1881: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...nSearchResults 3 Old Farm, Skelmersdale, Lancashire Henry Burrows Head Mar 32 Coal Miner Lancashire St Helens Eliz Do Wife 31 Do Do James Do Son 6 Scholar Do Do Mary Alice Do Daur 1 Do Skelmersdale Then in 1891 they have a 20-year-old son William: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/65...nSearchResults 36 Marchbank Rd, Skelmersdale, Lancashire Henry Burrows Head M 45 Coal Miner Lancashire St Helens Elizabeth Do Wife M 42 Do Do William Do Son S 20 Drawer in a Coal Mine Do Do James Do Son S 16 Do Do Do Mary Alice Do Daur S 11 Scholar Do Skelmersdale George Do Son 8 Do Do Do Ellen Do Daur 6 Do Do Do Hy Do Son 4 Do Do One of the witnesses at William Henry Eccleston and Ann Grimshaw's marriage was a James Burrows, according to Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. So it seems that Elizabeth Eccleston was William's mother.
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Hi , yes it's possible that he was born in Dec 1870 , there is only that one entry for a birth in Precot and the mother is unmarried . But was it also possible for a women of 47 to have a baby , I know my sister and I were born in my mums forties .?
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This is the Dixon family in 1871 and look at the stepson! http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/76...3864_3866-0541 104 Park Rd, Parr, Lancashire James Dixon Head Mar 43 Coal Miner Eccleston Do Alice Do Wife Mar 46 Do Do Do Henry Burrows Stepson Unm 23 Do Do Do Mary Dixon Daur Do 20 Do Do William Do Son Do 18 Do Do Do James do do 16 Do Do Alice Dixon Daur 14 Parr Lancashire John Do Son 11 Do Do Ellen Do Daur 7 Do Do
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Hi , yes James burrows was my uncle or I was led to believe he was when I was a child . So that's is a correct marriage , I haven't seen that marriage thank you for finding it .
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Yes, of course it was possible for a woman of 47 to have a baby but if you read through my posts you will see that it looks as though Elizabeth Eccleston was William Henry's mother.
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