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I have the marriage of William John Lally and Elizabeth Luke march qtr 1863 in Aston.

FMP has the parish record

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_846306726

It gives his fathers name as Michael Shephard Lally.

William John Lally's birth was registered in 1841 at St James Clerkenwell. MMN HEBBARD

A marriage between Michael Sheppard Lally and Sarah Hebbard is on Family Search for 6 June 1836 at St Andrews Holborn

1841 census has Michael, Sarah and daughter Ann Lally at St James Clerkenwell. Michael is a tailor born in Ireland.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...7_659_660-0263

I can't find them in 1851 but in 1861 Sarah's husband is John H Sheppard same as as Michael should be, a tailor and born in Ireland. All the family are called Sheppard now. Definitely the same family as William has the same occupation as in 1871 (watch hand maker)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true


1871 John Henry Shepperd is a widower and living with William and his family as are William's siblings. John Henry was born in Westport, County Mayo.
Ann's occupation of actress made me smile, Sarah is a ballet girl.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...&usePUBJs=true


Are Michael Shepperd Lally and John Henry Shepperd the same man?
I haven't found a death for Michael.

Or

Did Sarah marry his brother /cousin? I can't find another marriage for her.
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I'm not answering your question, but the last child registered as Lally is this one:

Births Dec 1849

LALLY Charles Michael W London 2 257 (mmn Hebbard)


Deaths Jun 1850

LALLY Charles Clerkenwell 3 56

(aged 9 months at burial in June 1850 address Margaret St, Clerkenwell)
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I'm not answering your question, but the last child registered as Lally is this one:

Births Dec 1849

LALLY Charles Michael W London 2 257 (mmn Hebbard)


Deaths Jun 1850

LALLY Charles Clerkenwell 3 56

(aged 9 months at burial in June 1850 address Margaret St, Clerkenwell)

I think the name change happened when they moved from London to Birmingham.

I've found two children born in Birmingham MMN Hebbard

Henry Lally Sheppard b 1853
Sarah Sheppard b 1854
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So, 1851 they could either in in London or Birmingham or somewhere in between
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I don't know if you have Sarah's death, Marg, but this looks like it:

SHEPPARD, SARAH 55
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 26
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I don't know if you have Sarah's death, Marg, but this looks like it:

SHEPPARD, SARAH 55
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 26
No, I hadn't got that far Liza. I saw that John Henry, or was he Michael, was a widower in 1871.

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He's reverted to his real name on death

Michael Sheppard Lally Sep qtr 1893 Birmingham 6d 96 aged 81
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I've found him as John Henry Sheppard in 1881 and 1891. He's remarried to a Selina.

Marriage was 1873 In Birmingham. Jun qtr 6d 224

Michael Sheppard Lally to Selina Jones.

This bloke doesn't know what his name is from one minute to the next.
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I have found a John H Sheppard in Wellington, Shropshire in 1851:


https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...1%2f0010788715

He is a tailor, says he is married, born in Ireland, but he's by himself.


Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1997
Folio 154
Page 17
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So, the question is .........

Why did he keep changing his name?

His children used the name Sheppard. His son William John Lally b 1841 kept the name William John Sheppard. He died in 1918 in Birmingham.
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