Eliza EMMS - MFFM

[Sabrina]

OH’s MFFM

Name - "official" name:
Eliza HEMING [Bap] EMMS [MC] HEMBS [son's BC]

Date and place of birth:
1823 Upleadon, Gloucestershire

Names of parents:
John Hemms/Emms and Elizabeth PREEDY

Date and place of baptism:
9 Jun 1823, Upleadon, Glos

Details of each of his or her marriages:
9 Dec 1852 married William Williams, Labourer at Redmarley, Glos. They were both single, full ages, both residences given as Redmarley. His father was Thomas Williams, Labourer. The witnesses were Joseph Emms and Hannah Rollings [Joseph believed to be Eliza's brother. She also had a sister called Hannah]

1864 William Williams dies Redmarley, buried Staunton, Glos.

Sep Q 1867 Eliza WILLIAMS married Joseph RUSSELL, Newent district.

Feb 1869 Joseph RUSSELL dies at Staunton.

Occupation(s):
Gloveress

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK):

1841 Census:

1852 (marriage) Redmarley, Worcs

1854 Bromsberrow, Worcs – baptism of son William

1857 Redmarley, Worcs – baptism of daughter Margaret

1861 Census: Should be with William, be cannot be found.

1871 Census:
Eliza Russell, Wid, 47, Gloveress, Upleadon
Thomas Russel, son, 25, Farm Labourer, Upleadon
Margarett Russell, dau, 13, Gloveress, Redmarley
William Bartlett, vis, 35, Farm Labourer, Staunton

1881 Census:
Eliza Russell, wid, 58, Upleadon
Thomas Williams, son, 37, Colwell, Worcs
Rose Dyer, boarder, 8, Staunton, Worcs

Date, place and cause of death:
DecQ 1890 Newent district

Date and place of burial:
St Thomas day [21 Dec] 1890 at Staunton, Eliza RUSSELL, aged 70


Have not yet found Eliza and William Williams on the 1861 census. Son William had left home by the 1871 census.

[anne fraser]

Have you seen this from the forrest of Dean message board.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmem...d=13334#p13345
If you are not already a member I would recommend the site.

[Sabrina]

Thanks for that link Anne! I am a member of that site and have found it very useful.

I am not sure that trying to find her baptism is the best way to go at the moment, since I do not know where she came from! I really need to find her with William or her children - or preferably all of them together - on the 1861 or 1871 census to get a more accurate year and place of birth. I'll keep hunting!!

[Merry]

Was John Emms a labourer on the marriage cert?

[Sabrina]

Yes, Merry, he was.

[Merry]

Pity! lol

[Merry]

What did William junior say about his father when he married? (dead or alive?)

[Sabrina]

When William Williams junior married in 1876 in Corse, Glos, the marriage certificate says his father was "late Williams Williams, Farm Labourer".

Interestingly, I noticed today that one of the witnesses of that marriage was a Thomas Hembs.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Sabrina

When William Williams junior married in 1876 in Corse, Glos, the marriage certificate says his father was "late Williams Williams, Farm Labourer".

Interestingly, I noticed today that one of the witnesses of that marriage was a Thomas Hembs.

I'm wondering about this death....

Deaths Mar 1864
WILLIAMS William Newent 6a 200

[Merry]

That 1864 death is looking hopeful as then Eliza remarried:

Marriages Sep 1867

Russell Joseph Newent 6a 416
Williams Eliza Newent 6a 416


and on the 1871 census we have:

Worcestershire, Staunton:

Eliza Russell head wid (I think) 47 gloveress b Gloucestershire Upleadon (I think)
Thomas Russell son unm 25 farm (?) labourer, b same as mum
Margarett Russell dau unm 13 gloveress b Worcestershire Redmarley
William Bartless, visitor unm 35 farm labourer b Worcestershire Staunton

About three hours ago I saw an Anne Hemms (or something similar) marrying in Newent District between 1841 and 1851 and found her in 1851 and she was born in Upleadon too.