Robert & Susannah Jones

[kiterunner]

So, this is Robert and family in 1851, which they found on Rootschat:

Wern, township of Bryngwyn Isa:
Robert Jones Head Mar 71 Butcher Denbigh, Gwtherin(?)
Susannah Jones Wife Mar 63 Butcher's Wife Flints Caerwys
William Jones Son U 32 Butcher Do Do
Jemima Jones Daur U 27 Butcher's Daughter Do Do
Peter Jones Son U 23 Butcher Do Do
Alice Williams Niece U 15 Scholar Do Holywell

The next household, who may or may not be related, is:
Elizabeth Williams Head U 35 House Keeper Flints Caerwys
John Owens Lodger U 28 Labourer Do Do

If Alice Williams really is a niece rather than a granddaughter, she might be useful in tracing Robert or Susannah's family (depending whose niece she is.)

[kiterunner]

1861 census at Gadlas(?), Kelston, Flintshire:
Robert Jones Head Widr 81 Butcher Denbighshire Gwtherin
William Do Son U 40 Farmer of 84 acres emp 3 lab Flintshire Caerwys
Peter Do Son U 31 Butcher Do Do
Owen Williams Grandson 8 Scholar Do Do
...some servants...
Peter Owens Lodger U 66 Independent Flintshire Caerwys

Peter may turn out to be Susannah's brother. It's often useful to go forwards as far as possible before going backwards, as you can pick up some clues like this from relatives on the census etc.

[Zoemcdougall]

I am truly not good with researching but I do try, and I appreciate any help that is given,

[kiterunner]

I'm just looking to see if I can find out whether Robert Jones left a will, but there are so many Robert Joneses! I may be some time.

[Merry]

When the Welsh parish registers do go online in the next year or two

Kate, do you know on which site that is happening? Trouble is, I need mainly non-conformist records..........

[kiterunner]

Can't find a will for Robert Jones. BUT... there is this...

1861
OWENS Peter. 26 November. The Will of Peter Owens late of Gadlys in the Parish of Llanasa in the County of Flint Gentleman deceased who died 10 October 1861 at Gadlys aforesaid was proved at St Asaph by the oath of William Jones of Gadlys aforesaid Farmer and Peter Jones of Gadlys aforesaid Farmer the Nephews the Executors. Effects under £450.

So now we know that Peter Owens was definitely Susannah's brother, which should help in checking if any baptism we might find for Susannah is correct. The entry above is from the National Probate Calendar, which is an index of wills. The will may or may not mention more relatives. If you want a copy of the actual will you can order it for £5 from York:

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Merry

Kate, do you know on which site that is happening? Trouble is, I need mainly non-conformist records..........

It's findmypast, Merry:

http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/welsh-parish-records/

But since they mention "the Church in Wales", I doubt if it is going to include non-conformist records.

[Zoemcdougall]

I truly appreciate your help, all the names I truly know of are those of Ishmael, wife Prudence, son Edward Owen Jones, and they are all buried in Llanasa.

[kiterunner]

Looks like Gwtherin (Robert Jones' birthplace) is usually spelt Gwytherin.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Zoe McD

I truly appreciate your help, all the names I truly know of are those of Ishmael, wife Prudence, son Edward Owen Jones, and they are all buried in Llanasa.

It might be a good idea to order a copy of Ishmael and Prudence's marriage certificate to check that it does say Ishmael's father was called Robert, so you know we have the right family for him.