WYLIE family of Glasgow

[Shona]

Good point, Janet. Men named John in Scotland were often called Jock which can appear as Jack in the records. My late father was called Jock by family - his middle name was John.

[James18]

Hello folks, and thanks for the help!

Yes, I had tried John, and indeed had considered William (also, though more rarely, shortened to Jack).

re the gravestones; it's interesting that there's an Isabella Mitchell McKechnie having married a John Wylie, as my Andrew Wylie's wife was Mary Geddie ('Maidie') McKechnie Innes, so I wonder if there's a link there?

As for Jack Wylie, there is a record of a John Wylie having died in 1968, aged 58, and registered in the George Square district of Edinburgh, which is why I was querying the location of the old Royal Infirmary. I should perhaps have mentioned this entry before, sorry. The age would be about right, though. Sam and Andrew's records were easy to find and have three detailed records each, so it's a shame Jack doesn't also.

Interestingly (and sadly) Sam and Andrew - who died at home in 1942 and 1945 - had their death certificates signed by the same man, their uncle Jim Hendry, a doctor from Giffnock.

I've contacted a couple of relatives, including Jack's daughter, regarding details for him, so hopefully that bears fruit.

As for Andrew and Mary Innes' children, I've found a possible link, but a second opinion would be more than welcome, so I'll explain that below.

I have a copy of Andrew and Mary's marriage certificate, and Mary's father is listed as being a Robert Alexander Innes. No age is given, but she was 24 when she married Andrew in 1933, and so we assume Robert would have been 50s or 60s, right?

Well, I found this: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-09/1221329406

It lists a Robert Alexander Innes as being 27 years old at the time of the 1901 census, which would make his year of birth c1874. So, 1933 - 1874 = 59.

I wonder, then, if this is the same Robert Alexander Innes, and so perhaps the person who posted that information may know something about his grandchildren. I hope so, anyway. Another clue is that some of those names are very interesting with regards to the lost cousins I am looking for.

What do you think?

[kiterunner]

You can't assume the age of someone's father from the child's age; all you can get from that is the father's minimum possible age.

[Shona]

Hello James - the hospital was in Lauriston Place which is quite close to George Square, so it could have been in that registration district. Given that reg districts have changed over time, you could email [email protected] with your question.

[James18]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

You can't assume the age of someone's father from the child's age; all you can get from that is the father's minimum possible age.

Yes, indeed, which is why I've contacted the person who posted that information to ask if they know any more. It's just an avenue of investigation.

[James18]

Originally Posted by Shona

Hello James - the hospital was in Lauriston Place which is quite close to George Square, so it could have been in that registration district. Given that reg districts have changed over time, you could email [email protected] with your question.

Thanks Shona.

I tried the e-mail address but got an automatic response that it isn't used, so I contacted them via the form on their website.

[James18]

Ha! Lost cousins found. Case closed (for now!)

[Janet]

Glad to hear it!

[James18]

Coming back to the Wylies briefly, if I may, I have been moving back a generation to include Andrew Wylie's (1881 - 1954) siblings and their children. As with the Hendry family from my other thread, there are certain spelling discrepancies between names which can make tracing people/events difficult.

On Andrew Wylie's marriage certificate, his parents are listed as Andrew Wylie, tailor, and Mary McIntyre. At that time - 1905 - both were still alive. I have since managed to find the deaths of both parents using GRONI, and these are confirmed by the fact that the same woman - Jeannie Fenton, the married name of their daughter Jane Wylie - is named as present on both certificates.

I have managed to find references to several of Andrew Wylie and Mary McIntyre's children, both on GRONI and on public member trees on Ancestry. However, this is where the naming discrepancies come into effect...

I have copies of the 1901 Wylie census (Antrim), 1911 Wylie census (Antrim), 1911 Wylie census (Glasgow; Andrew, the eldest brother, who by this time had married Elizabeth Hendry) and 1911 Wylie census (Antrim; George, the second brother, who by this time had married Mary Agnes Gillan).

Andrew and Mary married October 9th, 1880 in Ballymena -- her name is McAteer and his is Wiley.

So, looking at the children...

Andrew (1881 - 1954) - b. Antrim, d. Leicester

Andrew was my great-grandfather and I have already done a family tree for his branch of the family. I know where and when he died, but have not been able to find a sufficiently credible birth record for him. There is an Andrew Wylie born October 4th, 1881 in Ballymena on GRONI, and I have seen this date used for him (and others) on public family trees... however, the mother's maiden name is McAleese, as opposed to McIntyre or McAteer/McAteere as we see with other siblings. These are all clearly variants of McIntyre, whereas McAleese seems a little suspect to me, and on top of that there are further Wylie children born to a McAleese and I suspect it may be a different family. If anyone could confirm this point either way I'd be much obliged.

George (1883 - 1959) - b. Antrim, d. Glasgow

Luckily there is a lot of information for George on a public tree here, which I have no reason to doubt. Obviously George fits into the author's family tree somewhere, and there is a death certificate for George available on SP, of which I have a copy. However, I would be keen to find the correct Mary Agnes Gillan, as I do not have a birth for her which matches her age on the 1911 census, and she appears here on the 1901 census.

Mary (1885 - ????) b. Antrim, d. ????

Born December 5th, 1885 in Ballymena. Married John Falconer July 18th, 1911 in Ballymena. I do have a photo of her and her sister Jeannie Fenton when both are well into middle age, but I do not know the year it was taken or what happened to her or John after that. He may well have been dead by then, I'm afraid I have no idea. There are two or three candidates for John's birth on GRONI, but I don't know which would be him.

John (1888 - ????) b. Antrim, d. ????

Born March 3rd, 1888 in Ballymena. John is single and living with his parents on both the 1901 and 1911 census' -- I suspect he may have moved to Glasgow, and subsequently to Buffalo, New York. I am in contact with a lady on Ancestry who I believe to be his granddaughter, and so I shall try to confirm this point. If anyone can find contrary information, do let me know. -- deconfirmed!

David (1894 - 1916) b. Antrim, d. France/Flanders

Born December 17th, 1894 in Ballymena. There is a military record of a David Wylie of Ballymena dying of his wounds on April 5th, 1916. Do we think this is him? I don't have any other information to go on right now.

Jane (1899 - 1979) b. Antrim, d. Antrim?

Born June 14th, 1899 in Ballymena. Married William John Fenton July 20th, 1920 in Ballymena. Died January 17th, 1979 in Ballymena? There's a public family tree for her here, which I have no reason to doubt, but of course it's nice to confirm all of these things independently.

According to the 1911 census, Andrew and Mary had two children who died, bringing the total to 8. I'd be very interested to know who these children were, and when they were born and died, as I'd like to add them to the tree.

I think that's everything covered... does anyone think they could help me fill in some of the gaps?

Thanks,
James

[kiterunner]

David Wylie is listed in the Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects on ancestry and his money was sent to his widow Jane:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/60...nSearchResults