1891/1901 help please.

[annswabey]

Looked them up - here are the details

J 77/997/283 More information Divorce Court File: 283. Appellant: George Holden. Respondent: Maude Eliza Holden. Co-respondent: Henry John Farmiloe. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. 1910

J 77/625/19078 More information Divorce Court File: 19078. Appellant: George Watkins Holden. Respondent: Maude Louise Holden. Co-respondent: Mark Owen Athay. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. 1897

I can look at them - just let me know!

[Langley Vale Sue]

Originally Posted by ElizabethHerts

OC, here he is in 1891:

1891 Census
SUNDERLAND, Durham
RG12 piece 4139 folio 52 page 11
6, Peel Street, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland
RAINE, Mary Wife Widow F 49 1842 Boarding House Keeper Durham
RAINE, Violetta Daughter Single F 20 1871 Governess Boxgrove, Sussex
RAINE, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1876 Pupil Teacher Sunderland, County Durham
COLE, Edith Daughter Widow F 25 1866 Middlesex, London
COLE, Nora Granddaughter F 2 1889 Sunderland, County Durham
HOLDEN, George W Visitor Married M 43 1848 Photographer Kensington, London
BRUCE, William Boarder Single M 23 1868 Ship Draughtsman Scotland

But is there a muddle? This one was born in Kensington c. 1848

OOh did this Alice become Mrs Holden? Is she the Alice Holden in 1911?

[Mary from Italy]

Well done Sue, I hadn't thought to look at the Welsh censuses. It does say photographer on the 1911 image.

[Mary from Italy]

Originally Posted by Langley Vale Sue

OOh did this Alice become Mrs Holden? Is she the Alice Holden in 1911?

Don't think so, the birthplace is wrong.

George (photographer) and Alice are in Wales in 1901 with son William E Holden, 5, born Ireland. No other children with them.

[Langley Vale Sue]

In 1891 Maude L Holden is living in Hull with daughters Midas (2) & Gladys (1), both born in Hull, and states her husband is away and that he is a Master Mariner.

[Olde Crone]

Oooh, thankyou, loads there!

George died 1921 aged 75, so not him in the ERs...but who ARE those Holdens? George and John's mother, who was Emma Holden, was born in Peckham.

No, George married Alice Norman in 1898, she was his previous wife's mother's help, lol and was much younger than George.

George and Maud had a son George Ernest who was born in Belfast (!).

In 1881, George is "married" to emily Ann aged 21 and his daughter Ada, aged 14 is also living with them. Whose daughter she is, is not known.

George's brother, Dr John Watkins Holden, was married (1) to a theatrical, so Midas doesn't surprise me.

Ann - if it isn't too much bother I would be thrilled if you would look at the Holden/Holden/Athay divorce although it does look like the divorce went through, What a cheek he had, divorcing his wife for HER adultery, and then marrying the Nanny!

According to the Blog site I found, George was a well known photographer, but a second rate one I think.

OC

[Mary from Italy]

I guess William and Eric are Alice's children and Midas is a child of a previous marriage. There's a blank line left between Eric and Midas on the census form, and Alice says she has two children born, two living.

[Olde Crone]

Thankyou Mary. I think Midas is Mauid's daughter but I'm just off to check.

OC

[Langley Vale Sue]

Originally Posted by Langley Vale Sue

In 1891 Maude L Holden is living in Hull with daughters Midas (2) & Gladys (1), both born in Hull, and states her husband is away and that he is a Master Mariner.

1891 census shows Midas is Maud's daughter. I wonder what happened to Gladys?
Haven't found them on 1901 yet.

[Olde Crone]

Oh, HAHAHA!

Midas Maud HOLDEN Sep 1888 Hull 9d 280

OC