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Old 12-06-12, 20:53
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Default 1891/1901 help please.

There surely cannot be TWO men called George Watkins Holden...or can there? And, could he have tried to divorce his wife but failed in 1897, then managed a divorce in 1907?

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George Holden born 1846 in Peckham. By 1881 he is a photographer, so I would expect a similar occupation in 91 and 1901. He may or may not be using the middle name Watkins.

In 1894 George Watkins Holden married Maud Louisa Warnes. In 1897 he petitioned for divorce, citing c-orespondent Mark Athay. I haven't got the divorce documents so I don't know if the petition was successful - was he living alone in 1901?

In 1907, George Holden (no middle name) petitions for divorce against Maud ELIZA Holden - same couple, or just coincidence?

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Old 12-06-12, 21:27
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OC, here he is in 1891:

1891 Census
SUNDERLAND, Durham
RG12 piece 4139 folio 52 page 11
6, Peel Street, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland
RAINE, Mary Wife Widow F 49 1842 Boarding House Keeper Durham
RAINE, Violetta Daughter Single F 20 1871 Governess Boxgrove, Sussex
RAINE, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1876 Pupil Teacher Sunderland, County Durham
COLE, Edith Daughter Widow F 25 1866 Middlesex, London
COLE, Nora Granddaughter F 2 1889 Sunderland, County Durham
HOLDEN, George W Visitor Married M 43 1848 Photographer Kensington, London
BRUCE, William Boarder Single M 23 1868 Ship Draughtsman Scotland

But is there a muddle? This one was born in Kensington c. 1848
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In 1891 he's visiting Mary Raine, widow, and family in Co. Durham. He gives his birthplace as Kensington, and he's still a photographer.
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Old 12-06-12, 21:35
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Thankyou both very much. I've just googled him and discovered he was as big a liar as his brother (remember John Watkins Holden, the Mad Magician, lol) so knocking a couple of years off his age and poshing up his birthplace is as NOTHING, lol.

Apparently he married several times, possibly bigamously and fathered several illegitimate children along the way.

My research has been very flat for ages so I'm pleased to find something to get my teeth into again!

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Old 12-06-12, 21:39
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Haven't found him yet in 1901 or 1911.

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The Times reports on 10/8/1911 that a decree absolute was granted in the case of Holden v Holden and Farmiloe.
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I can look up the divorces OC - just give me the references!
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Old 12-06-12, 21:50
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1890 - 1915 Electoral registesr show a George Holden living at 28 Marmora Road, Peckham.

1939 ER shows George Holden, Julia Holden and Olive Ann Holden living at 34 St Marys Road, Peckham

Haven't found anything so far for 1891/1901 census, but 1911 shows a George Walkins Holden, phonographer(?), living at 55 Tudor Road, Cardiff. Married 17 years, wife Alice (38), son William (15) & Eric (6), daughters Midas(?) Maud (23) & Rachel Ann (24).

Looking at the image Rachel is a boarder, not a daughter, and her surname is Nelson.
It does look like Midas Maud and she is an actress!
William was born in Belfast, Eric in Cardiff and Midas Maud in Hull.
GWH did get around!
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Old 12-06-12, 21:55
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There's a report here of the first divorce hearing; you need to buy credits to read the article, but they give you some free credits if you haven't used the site before.

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Hull Daily Mail
Wed 12 Jan 1898

George Watkins Holden, travelling photographer, petitioned Sir Francis Jeuno for a dissolution of his marriage, which took place All Saints' Church, Plymouth, ...
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.c...ns%20holden%22
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