Evan Jones / Elizabeth Nixon married 1849 Liverpool

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by garstonite

I am out with the house numbers - but yes Kate ...that`s the info I had ..
looking at that ..When was 1861 census taken ?...was it after May 1861 ?..because that`s the month I have for his death ...checking freebmd ...cos I might be wrong
allan

The 1861 census was taken in April.

[garstonite]

Oh dear ...Robert W Jones born 1863 ....how have I got him as Elizabeths son - if Evan died in 1861 ?...sorry Kate ...need to spend a little time on the tree to see where Robert appeared from ...lol...giving them kids that may not be theirs ...ha ha
I can only think that when I mistakenly had David as the dad on that post 2 years ago ...I never deleted Robert ....
It also seems unlikely that Evan/Eliz married 1849 - Ann is the first child born 5 years later in 1854 ??...I wonder if they had a child that died in those 5 years ??

[kiterunner]

Normally I would say the next step is to get Mary Ellen's birth certificate to check Elizabeth's maiden name, but there are quite a few possible registrations for her between 1856 and 1857 in Liverpool and West Derby districts. And it's no use looking for her sister Ann's birth registration instead! I was hoping to find Mary Ellen's baptism to see whether it gave an exact date of birth, but not found that.

[garstonite]

Well - according to the tree that Wendy found on Sunday ...IF it`s right ??
Evan Jones is in Grafton Street in 1841 ..so that matches the first one you found ..
so ...is that Evan with a wife and children ??
was Elizabeth his second wife ?
allan

[kiterunner]

Still, if you get a copy of the Evan Jones / Elizabeth Nixon marriage certificate, which does look a good bet, it will give Evan's occupation and say whether he was a widower, so at least that should confirm whether it is the right marriage. Also, if it is, it will give details of Elizabeth's father which will help with tracing her line.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by garstonite

Well - according to the tree that Wendy found on Sunday ...IF it`s right ??
Evan Jones is in Grafton Street in 1841 ..so that matches the first one you found ..
so ...is that Evan with a wife and children ??
was Elizabeth his second wife ?
allan

Yes, it looks as though he had a wife before Elizabeth. Not surprising given the big age gap between them.

[kiterunner]

Look at post #18 on this thread, Allan - in 1851 Evan has a son David 12 and daughter Jane 9 who are much too old to be Elizabeth's children, so he must have been married before.

[garstonite]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

Normally I would say the next step is to get Mary Ellen's birth certificate to check Elizabeth's maiden name, but there are quite a few possible registrations for her between 1856 and 1857 in Liverpool and West Derby districts. And it's no use looking for her sister Ann's birth registration instead! I was hoping to find Mary Ellen's baptism to see whether it gave an exact date of birth, but not found that.

I HAVE 5th august 1860 for Mary Ellens baptism at St Michaels church Garston ...but ...she is in Toxteth in 1861 - so why come to Garston for the baptism ??...going to have to check this as well
allan
ADDED...Mary Ellen was 19 at her marriage on 31st jan 1877 ...states b 1858

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by garstonite

ADDED...Mary Ellen was 19 at her marriage on 31st jan 1877 ...states b 1858

That would only mean she was born in 1858 if her birthday was in January! If she was born in any other month then she still had her birthday to come in 1877 and she would be 20 on that birthday. Also her age on the 1861 census is more likely to be accurate than her age on her marriage certificate.

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by garstonite

I HAVE 5th august 1860 for Mary Ellens baptism at St Michaels church Garston ...but ...she is in Toxteth in 1861 - so why come to Garston for the baptism ??...going to have to check this as well

That is the baptism of the Mary Ellen Jones whose father was called David.