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Olde Crone · #**111** 06-01-22, 08:48

If you look on lan-opc, there are several births to Thomas and Cicely, but William's birth is only listed with Thomas as father, so mother not proven. Also, Thomas and Cicely married in 1809 - although that may not be the correct marriage, I can't immediately find another.

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Merry · #**112** 06-01-22, 08:48

I wouldn't bother until they have told you how they know this is the correct William Hale. They may have evidence of course, but it wouldn't be the first time a family with more unusual parents names has been selected because there's a better chance of finding them elsewhere rather than because they are the right people! Please note, I'm not saying they are incorrect, just that they need to tell you their evidence. All you have is that he was born in Lancashire around 1795, which may or may not be correct.

If it were me, whilst I was waiting, I would be looking on Lancs OPC to see if there was any indication that this child of Thomas and Cicely died in childhood.

You may not get much sense out of anyone on here today, given the one hundred year wait for the 1921 census was over last night at midnight!

kiterunner · #**113** 06-01-22, 08:55

Did your William have a daughter named Cicely? Obviously it wouldn't prove that it was his mother's name, but it could be an indication.

Merry · #**114** 06-01-22, 10:40

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Originally Posted by kiterunner

Did your William have a daughter named Cicely? Obviously it wouldn't prove that it was his mother's name, but it could be an indication.

I've made that mistake before!

Olde Crone · #**115** 06-01-22, 11:16

Ok, looks very unlikely that William's mother was Cicely, see as follows.

?(6 July 1794 St Andrew Maghull, John Bale s/o Thomas and Ann, husbandman of Maghull.)
12 Feb 1797 St Thomas Maghull, William s/o Thomas Hale, leabourer (sic)
1 Dec 1799, St T. Henery(sic)s/o Thomas Hale, of Maghull, labourer.
21 Nov 1802 St T, Thomas, s/o Thomas Hale of Maghull, labourer.

BURIAL - St Thomas Melling ,1 Aug 1807 Ann Hale wife of Thomas Hale labourer of Melling.

MARRIAGE - St James Toxteth 14 June 1812
Thomas Hale, widower, farmer
Cicily Guy, widow.

Then a whole raft of children ten in all, youngest called Cicely, all very easily found on Lan opc.,

But you do need to wait for your contact who may know something we don't know!

And final proof that Cicely wasn't William's mother -

Death 1871 Ormskirk, Cecily Hale aged 81.
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Qwackers · #**116** 06-01-22, 15:50

hi. yes i think your right , i need to know how they have connected thomas and cicely to william hale . i will let you know when i find out thanks

Qwackers · #**117** 06-01-22, 16:00

hi , i've noted that they have got cicely guy as mother , and as you have displayed it can't be her . thanks

Olde Crone · #**118** 06-01-22, 16:14

Oh dear, I should have read the whole thread before I jumped in! Then I would have known that William was Catholic and therefore Thomas and Cicely would be too, which they weren't.

Oh well, it passed a few rainy hours.

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Qwackers · #**119** 06-01-22, 16:50

Hi just found out that ann of thomas and ann died in 1807 according to another tree of the hales , this could explain a marriage to cicely guy later . so she could be the stepmother if the tree is correct but the catholic birth has thrown the tree into confusion . yes i forgot william was a catholic and as such was buried as a catholic . i will see what the tree owners say . thanks

Olde Crone · #**120** 06-01-22, 16:55

I put that burial on my post above.

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