1851 check please.

[HarrysMum]

OK...scrap that marriage for Harriet.

All the online trees have Philip Desprez marrying Caroline Cardon/Carden.

And she is on the same page as flippin Harriet on FreeBMD.

[Merry]

Erm OK........*reaches for migraine pills*

In 1841 there's a household at Stokes Croft Bristol as follows:

Mary Berry 76 Ind Yes
Eliz Taylor 86 Ind Yes
Sarah Taylor 66 Ind Yes
Jane Phillips 26 FS No

Eliz Taylor is the widow of Joshua Taylor (don't know when/where he died). Eliz died in 1850 apparently aged 98 (Gentleman's Mag). We think she left a will (Bristol Wills Index). Her maiden name was .......Ariel! Elizabeth and Joshua married at St James Bristol in 1775. Being an Ariel Elizabeth was never actually born (ie no bap etc), but we are pretty certain her parents were William Ariel and Elizabeth Grifith (various spellings) as her death notice said she was a sister to their son, William, father of Myles (for those in the know!). Elizabeth was the great-aunt of the famous Agatha!

Sarah Taylor, on the above census, is the unmarried dau of Joshua and Eliz Taylor. Libby wants to find her death and will (if she had one). I'm wondering if she lasted out to have her will proved during the gap in Ancestry's probate index between 1858 and 1861?

Mary Berry (above) was the widow of Charles Berry (m 1804 St James Bristol). Charles and Mary both left PCC wills which I think Libby is getting. It's possible they had no children which could make the wills more interesting. Mary's maiden name was.........Ariel!

Obviously Mary Ariel was also never born and we are trying to think of ways of proving she was another sister to Elizabeth and William (father of Myles)

Erm, that's it in a nutshell

[kiterunner]

Is Joshua the same person as Jacob, and if so, what was his real name?

[Merry]

lolol!! Erm, Joshua sorry - will amend post - these people are enough of a problem without me forgetting their names!

[HarrysMum]

And I think I just found Harriet Desprez in 1841 as a teacher. Looks like she has a 4 year old son but the image isn't that clear for him. No hubby though.

The Desprez family are around as clergy ........just what i don't need any more of...lol.

Wonder if Harriet was a sister and never married, but the 1851 clearly shows her as W.

I think I'll leave her and the other lady Maria Allen who is also visiting Sarah in 1851. They can sit on the back burner until I need them...lol

There's no sign of Sarah in 1861 so I think she may have passed on by then.

[kiterunner]

I can have a look at the National Probate Calendar for 1858 - 1860 next week or possibly tomorrow to see if there is an entry for Sarah.

[kiterunner]

Oh, and I think they have PCC admons from 1853 to 1857 at my local record office as well, although there is very little info in the entries for those.

[Merry]

That would be really helpful, Kate! Thanks.

I agree about the backburner for Harriet Desprez and Maria Allen. I did just notice that Harriet's son,

Births Sep 1837
DESPREZ Francis George Clifton 11 184

didn't die or marry or anything, which sounds Ariel-ish! (I expect he is there but spelled wrong - didn't check!).

The Desprezs in Gloucestershire were non-cons as might be expected (Family Search pilot)

[HarrysMum]

I've got Charles Berry and Mary Berry's wills.

They are those awful TNA ones written in unreadable script. Will print them out and see if they are easier.

Thanks KiteRunner. I can't give you much inof on Sarah, except she was born around 1779 in Bristol and can't be found in 1861.

[HarrysMum]

I can read on Mary Berry's will that Ann is her sister. Ann married David Miller. I know that much....

She also leaves something to her niece Agatha Evill. Agatha was the daughter of William Ariel and Elizabeth Kirkby so that makes is right that Mary Berry is the daughter William Ariell and Eliz Griffith.