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03-03-17, 19:06
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This looks to be George Joseph's family in 1881 in Bromley, London:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/75...cklabel=Return Henry Saddler Head Mar 31 Oilman Middx Hoxton Emma " Wife Mar 31 " St Lukes George Saddler Son 2 Middx Bromley Fredk " " 8 Scholar " " Eliza " Daur 8 mo " ". 
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03-03-17, 19:12
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03-03-17, 19:15
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If George Joseph's father was born in London around 1850, then any connection between the two families would have to be pretty far back, wouldn't it?
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03-03-17, 19:31
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03-03-17, 22:20
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Taking it back another generation, George Joseph Sadler's mother's maiden name is Foster, according to the online GRO birth index, with Henry Sadler marrying Emma Eliza Caroline Foster 27 Sep 1874 at St John, Hoxton (London):
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...cklabel=Return Henry's father is John Sadler, traveller. This looks like the family on the 1861 census: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/87...cklabel=Return 43 Baldwyn St, St Luke Finsbury, Middlesex John Sadler Head Mar 41 Traveller Middlx Marylebone Mary A Wife " 40 Widows Milliner " Bow Mary A Daur Unm 18 " " " Shoreditch Emma " " 16 Domestic " " Henry Son 13 Errand Boy " " Martha Daur 11 " ". So Henry's father was born in London around 1820. On the 1881 census, your great-grandfather Charles Sadler sr says he was born about 1838 at Ingoldisthorpe, and his wife's name is Charlot. The GRO birth index shows that Charles jr's mother's maiden name was Bush, so his parents' marriage is Charles Frederick Sadler / Charlotte Bush 5 May 1866 at Ingoldisthorpe, which is transcribed on FreeREG showing Charles sr's father to be Robert Sadler, labourer. This is Robert's family on the 1851 census and Robert was born in Ingoldisthorpe about 1811 (as you say, the Sadlers go back a long way in that area): http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...cklabel=Return Ingoldisthorpe Robert Sadler Mar 39 Ag Lab Norfolk Ingoldisthorpe Sarah Sadler Wife Married 37 Do Balnly(?) Sarah Sadler Dau U 14 Sholer Do Ingoldisthorpe Charels Sadler Son U 12 Sholer Do Ingoldisthorpe Suasanna Sadler Dau U 9 Sholer Do Ingoldisthorpe Hix Sadler Son U 7 Do Ingoldisthorpe Margut Sadler Dau U 5 Do Ingoldisthorpe George Sadler Son U 2 Do Ingoldisthorpe Robert Sadler Father Widower 67 Ag Lab Do Ingoldisthorpe. So we know that George Henry's great-grandfather (John) was born in London, and your mother's great-grandfather (Robert) was born in Norfolk, so even if it turns out that John and Robert were related, the closest that George Henry and your mother could be to each other would be fourth cousins - highly unlikely to know they were related even if they were.
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04-03-17, 04:16
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I think that John Sadler had been an uncle of my mother. John died around 1960 so he will have been born around 1880 or before. John Sadler had lived in a cottage in Snettisham and he married Ethel. Did John have many brothers or sisters?
Last edited by albert73; 04-03-17 at 04:27.
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04-03-17, 07:21
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Here is your great-grandfather and his wife in 1881 with children including your Grandfather Charles Frederick Sadler aged 11 and his younger brother (your mother's uncle), John aged 3:
Ingoldisthorpe, Norfolk, Charles Sadler Head married 42 labourer born Ingoldisthorpe Charlot Sadler wife married 33 b Snettisham Agnes Sadler dau 14 scholar b Ingoldisthorpe Charles Sadler son 11 scholar b Snettisham Annie Sadler dau 9 scholar b Ingoldisthorpe Elizabeth Sadler dau 7 scholar b Ingoldisthorpe John Sadler son 3 b Ingoldisthorpe Sarah Sadler dau 1 b Ingoldisthorpe I have looked at the 1871 and on that one the children were just Agnes and Charles (listed under his middle name, Frederick) In 1891 there was an additional child, Florence aged 4. As we know Charlot's maiden name was Bush I looked at the GRO indexes for birth registrations for this family, in case there were other children who had died or were not living with their parents: SADLER, AGNES CHARLOTTE mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 300 SADLER, FREDERICK CHARLES mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 307 Frederick Charles died 1868 Q3 Docking aged 0 Vol 4b Page 233 SADLER, CHARLES FREDERICK mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 289 <<<<<<< your grandfather SADLER, ANNIE MARIA mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 304 SADLER, ELIZABETH JANE mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 309 SADLER, SARAH mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 307 Sarah died 1875 Q2 Docking aged 0 Vol 4b Page 232 SADLER,JOHN WILLIAM mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 295 John William died 1877 Q1 Docking aged 0 Vol 4b Page 217 SADLER, JOHN WILLIAM mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 307 <<<<<< your mother's uncle John SADLER, SARAH ANN mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 327 SADLER, HENRY GEORGE mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 321 Henry George died 1882 Q2 Docking aged 1 Vol 4b Page 203 SADLER, ELIZABETH mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 313 Elizabeth died 1882 Q2 Docking aged 0 Vol 4b Page 202 SADLER (mis-indexed as SADLEN), FLORENCE MAUD mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 327 Florence Maud died 1884 Q4 Docking aged 0 Vol 4b Page 229 SADLER, FLORENCE MAUD mmn BUSH GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 321 So, you asked if John (John William b 1877) had many siblings. Yes he did, though several sadly died as babies. Also several named for deceased siblings which was very common at that time. Next I'll see if I can confirm the other things you said about John.....
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04-03-17, 07:40
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John William Sadler married Ethel Anker in Q4 1903 in Docking District.
On the 1911 census John says he is 31 a general labourer and born Ingoldisthorpe. His wife Ethel is aged 28 b Snettisham. They say they have been married 7 years and have two children (no dec'd children) - Georgie aged 7 and Jack aged 1 both born at Snittisham. They also have Ethel's mother in the house, Frances Anker aged 59. Their address is Pleasant Row, Snettisham. On the 1939 register we have: 1 Pleasant Place , Docking R.D., Norfolk John W Sadler dob 14 Oct 1877 Male Corn Porter Heavy Work Married Ethel Sadler dob 12 Oct 1882 Female Housewife Married John's dob fits with his birth registration in 1877. This may be his death registration: Deaths Dec 1959 SADLER John W 81 Fakenham 4b 422 and Ethel: Deaths June 1962 SADLER Ethel 79 Downham 4b 398
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04-03-17, 10:43
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That one's more difficult, since she was born after the date of the 1939 Register, and doesn't come up on the probate search or on Deceased Online (burial and cremation records). And there are a few possible birth registrations. Was her surname definitely still Sadler when she died? (And was she born as a Sadler?) And do you have any more information about her, such as a middle name, or where she was born?
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