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Qwackers · #41 01-03-20, 06:03

hi , Merry when you have got time , i have found a family tree on Wiki belonging to the eccleston Clan . But am stuck on the birth of a john Ecklestone (eccleston ) , Born around 1764 don't know where could be lancashire could be cheshire but he married a mary lasetter in winick in around 1887 . i think is father was either John or Isacc eccleston . the name lasetter , looks like it could be lester or leicester , I found a birth in burtonwood which i think belongs to the couple they had around seven children , one of which is my great great great grandfather Thomas . the family tree is good but it doesn't go back from John on this side . so if you have any time and you can help i would be most grateful . thanks

Merry · #42 01-03-20, 07:17

So, from post #105 on the "Help Required" thread, Kate said:

Quote:

Thomas Eccleston born 31 Dec 1798 and baptised 20 Jan 1799 at Prescot, St Helens, son of John Eccleston, collier, of Parr.

And in the following couple of posts we worked out that this Thomas probably had a first cousin, Margaret Knowles nee Eccleston (b 1803), who may have been the witness at Thomas's wedding in 1822.

The two father's of Thomas and Margaret are likely to be (from an Ancestry tree, so I don't know if you have found more evidence about these two):

ISAAC ECCLESTONE
1767–1837
Birth ABT 1767 • Ashton in Makerfield
Death 22 OCT 1837 • St Helens, Lancashire

and:

John Ecclestone
1764–1837
Birth ABT 1764 • Winwick
Death 9 FEB 1837 • St Helens, Lancashire, England

And, also from an ancestry tree, the parents of the above brothers:

ISAAC ECCLESTONE
1743–1793
Birth ABT 1743 • Newton le Willows
Death MAY 1793 • St Helens, Lancashire

ANN NAYLOR
1743–1778
Birth 23 NOV 1743 • Winwick
Death 17 APR 1778

I'm guessing you are 100 years adrift with the marriage date you mention and when you say there is a birth in Burtonwood for this couple, I don't know what you mean.

EDIT here's the marriage I think you referred to:

Marriage: 11 Feb 1787 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
John Eckelstone - (X), this Parish
Mary Lacetter - (X), this Parish
Witness: Robert Cross; Michael Ridyard
Banns Read: 14 Jan 1787, 2nd: 21 Jan 1787, 3rd: 28 Jan 1787
Married by Banns by: B Banner Curate
Register: Marriages 1766 - 1812, Page 399, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1885708

Still don't understand about Burtonwood???

So, again, I have used up all my time untangling parts of your request and not answering any of it!! It would be helpful if you could copy and paste the entries you find because that saves making mistakes in typing and also means we get all the info and not just bits of it.

Merry · #43 01-03-20, 07:18

What do you mean by "the family tree is good"?

Merry · #44 01-03-20, 08:32

So, are you just looking for the children of this couple?

Marriage: 4 Apr 1763 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
Isaac Eccleston - (X), this Parish
Ann Naylor - (X), this Parish
Witness: Robert Glave; Bettey Bordman
Banns Read: 20 Mar 1763, 2nd: 27 Mar 1763, 3rd: 3 Apr 1763
Married by Banns by: John Lowe Curate
Register: Marriages 1754 - 1765, Page 139, Entry 453
Source: LDS Film 1885708

Merry · #45 01-03-20, 08:49

There are three children on Lancs OPC:

Baptism: 15 Jun 1766 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
William Eckelson - son of Isack Eckelson
Born: 27 May
Abode: Newton
Register: Baptisms 1756 - 1776, Page 13, Entry 34
Source: LDS Film 1655876

Baptism: 6 Nov 1768 St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, England
Isaac Eccleston - the son of Isaac Eccleston & An
Born: 13 Oct
Register: Baptisms 1735 - 1769, Page 34, Entry 8
Source: LDS Film 1885719

Baptism: 24 Mar 1771 St Michael, Burtonwood, Lancashire, England
Peggy Eccleston - Daughter of Isaac Eccleston & Ann
Abode: Newton
Register: Baptisms 1668 - 1812, Entry 1490
Source: Private Transcription

but no John.

No baptism for John on Ancestry or FMP either.

There are 117 trees on Ancestry including this John, most of them saying he was born either in Winwick or Ashton in Makerfield. I didn't look at all the trees, but the few I did had no evidence to support this, or to support that his parents were Isaac and Ann. There is, of course, that tantalising gap between the marriage of Isaac and Ann and William's baptism!

Qwackers · #46 01-03-20, 10:18

thanks once a again you are a star Xx

Merry · #47 01-03-20, 13:17

You said of John Eccleston and Mary Lacetter ....

Quote:

they had around seven children , one of which is my great great great grandfather Thomas .

.....but you failed to mention the eldest son, bap 4 Apr 1790 at St Helens, was named Isaac.

garstonite · #48 03-03-20, 07:17

this is just to show you that William and Mary waited up to 7 years to baptise children - and Ann in the census was actually baptised Hannah

Baptism: 21 Feb 1869 St Thomas, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Beatrice Eccleston - [Child] of William Eccleston & Mary
Born: 20 Aug 1862
Abode: Eccleston
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John A. Fidler
..........................

Baptism: 21 Feb 1869 St Thomas, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Hannah Eccleston - [Child] of William Eccleston & Mary
Born: 31 Aug 1864
Abode: Eccleston
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John A. Fidler

garstonite · #49 03-03-20, 07:21

could this be the c1767 Isaac ?

Baptism: 6 Nov 1768 St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, England
Isaac Eccleston - the son of Isaac Eccleston & An
Born: 13 Oct 1768

Merry · #50 03-03-20, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by garstonite

could this be the c1767 Isaac ?

Baptism: 6 Nov 1768 St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, England
Isaac Eccleston - the son of Isaac Eccleston & An
Born: 13 Oct 1768

Yes, I think so - see post #45. It's a brother John we need!