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Old 17-06-13, 19:24
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I only have the Robert baptism from Family Search. I will try and work out how to get a copy. Thanks Kate

I will post what I now have on this family, which looks like quite a lot, but this story may become an historical novel. I do now have the other bits and pieces of padding around some of these bare facts, thanks to you people.

REAY, Charles Lucas
born 25 Mar 1811 Oxford baptized 24 Dec 1811 S Peter Liverpool Lancashire
died 31 Mar 1848 age 38 CMS station Hicks Bay Waiapu Eastern district North Island,
buried (by the Revd Charles BAKER) 02 Apr 1848 churchyard S John Rangitukia
brother to Maria REAY (1851) with sister Charlotte proprietors girls’ school
born 05 Aug 1802 died 11 Oct 1870 Ellesmere [left £4 000]
brother to Julia REAY born 03 Nov 1804 died 02 Feb 1881 [left £300 000]
married 14 Jul 1823 S Anne Liverpool Thomas RIPLEY wealthy ‘merchant prince’ in East India and China trade
brother to Harriet REAY born 05 Feb 1809 died 20 Nov 1855 Liverpool
married 02 Jan 1841 by CL REAY,
the Revd Kenneth Mackenzie PUGHE (1816-1865) ; several more priests in their family line
brother to Charlotte REAY born 01 Mar 1817 died 04 Jun 1877 Ellesmere [left £10 000]
only son of William Lucas REAY gentleman merchant surgeon of Liverpool
baptised 06 Dec 1770 Shotwick co Cheshire,
died 11 Apr 1832 residence Islington co Middlesex
son of the Revd Stephen REAY priest at Shotwick Cheshire died before 1809
married 04 Feb 1799 Liverpool co Lancashire
and Charlotte ROBINSON born c1771 died 11 Nov 1846 age 75;
married 17 May 1834 Wolvercote Oxfordshire,
Marianne ESSEX née COOK
she married (i) Dec ¼ 1824 London,
Lieutenant James Henderson ESSEX RN, who served in Demarara Guiana
son of Hector ESSEX
(1807) churchwarden S Clement Dane, died 01 Aug 1818 of The Strand London
their daughter Jane Henderson ESSEX baptised 07 Nov 1827 S Clement Dane London,
married 1846 Nelson New Zealand, Dr Daniel POLLEN died 1903 Auckland
(Oct 1842-Mar 1843) Marianne REAY with Robert REAY and Jane REAY from England arrived Auckland UNION; also on board that ship the Revd Henry GOVETT with 'cousin' the Revd William BOLLAND (who married Jane WRIGHT), and the Revd Philip WRIGHT (who married Sarah Louisa GOVETT),
the ‘designer of Wakefield church’ diocese Nelson
at husband’s death Mrs Marianne REAY with young son Robert Charles Lucas REAY returned to England, to reside Walpole St Chelsea;
(Mar 1851) with two visitors two servants, and servant Helen DILLON age 9 born Nelson New Zealand, residing 28 Walpole Street Chelsea co Middlesex
(Aug 1851) widow Marianne was accused of fraudulent mis-handling of her financial grant from CMS
born c1804 Cambridge
Note: 1845 Miss Jane ESSEX daughter of Lieutenant ESSEX RN of Demarara Guiana, arrived Nelson, married (18 May 1846 Nelson by CL REAY) Dr Daniel POLLEN of Auckland MLC and Colonial secretary, (Jul 1875) ‘now Premier’ for a few months; promoted pottery manufacture (born 02 Jun 1813 Dublin died 18 May 1896 Auckland)
(352;217;212;33;111)
Education
23 Mar 1829 matriculated age 17, Queen’s College Oxford
13 Feb 1834 BA Oxford
21 Sep 1834 deacon Lincoln
20 Sep 1835 priest Lincoln (411;111;244)
Positions
21 Sep 1834-1838 curate Gosberton co and diocese Lincoln
Mar 1838 – 1843 appointed vicar Swanbourne Buckinghamshire diocese Oxford (internet information)
Nov 1840 a chaplain to the Right Honourable John KEANE (1781 – 1844) 1st Baron of Ghuznee Afghanistan & Cappoquin co Waterford Ireland – John KEANE served in the Napoleonic wars, in New Orleans during the British war (1812) with the United States of America, (1815-1817) British occupation of France, in Jamaica, (1834-1839) in Bombay and then leader of the British forces in the First Afghan war: for which he was made a baron; died Burton Lodge Hampshire (411)
02 Oct 1841 offered to CMS
26 Dec 1841 departed Plymouth CMS missionary (with Bishop SELWYN and HF BUTT) TOMATIN; chaplain to crew (212;287)
‘After his hurried departure it emerged that he had left debts with local businesses amounting to £105.13.6 ½. His wife, whom he had left behind in Swanbourne, promised to discharge the debts, but the episode proved deeply embarrassing for Henry VENN who had arranged REAY’s passage under the auspices of the Church Missionary Society.’ p134 The nineteenth-century Church and English society Frances Knight, Cambridge University Press (1995)
21 Aug 1842 CMS missionary among M?ori and among (with CW SAXTON) settlers Nelson diocese New Zealand (37)
30 May 1842 he arrived (with SELWYN bishop New Zealand) New Zealand BRISTOLIAN
18 Aug 1842 departed Port Nicholson (with SELWYN bishop) VICTORIA for Nelson
21 Aug 1842 arrived Nelson (with SELWYN) VICTORIA
1842 established Bishop’s school Nelson (33)
23 Aug 1842 with SELWYN took services Nelson for M?ori
04 Oct 1842 – 11 Oct 1842 visited M?ori settlements Wakapuaka
Rangitoto in D’Urville island through the French Pass
04 Nov 1842 to Waitapu and to Nelson
06 Nov 1842 services John KERR’s barn Waimea West
22 Jan 1843 services Rangitoto
31 Jan 1843 to Motueka and Tomatea near Pakawau [10km from Collingwood] for M?ori settlements
10 May 1843 appointed incumbent Nelson (228)
May 1843 from England wife and son arrived to join him
mid 1843 holiday in Auckland
24 Dec 1843 at opening S Michael church Waimea West
01 Jan 1845 preached Church on Hill Nelson
no date: quarrelled with important settler JN BEIT in Nelson
unauthorised visit to Sydney (202)
1845 no licence occasional services diocese Australia (111)
11 Oct 1846 preached at opening of church S John Wakefield near Nelson
31 Jan 1847 preached S Paul Wellington
03 Feb 1847 departed JULIA for Nelson
31 Mar 1847 finished work in Nelson province
02 Apr 1847 departed Nelson for Auckland:
1847 – death stationed (vice KISSLING G) CMS mission (under chief Mokena KOHERE) Te Araroa and Rangitukia Waiapu diocese New Zealand (253;33;217;55)
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1841 author The services of the Unitarians: as compared with the Book of common prayer of the United Church of England and Ireland (London: W.E Painter 342 The Strand, publisher and printer)
Son Robert Charles Lucas REAY (1839-1911) married Hannah GEMMELL (1856-1928) a daughter of the Princess Hipora TE APATU, and was a surveyor of confiscated M?ori land; he and his wife are buried Wairoa cemetery Hawkes Bay. (275;33;89;212;204)
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Old 17-06-13, 21:21
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I have found a possible brother for Marianne: Thomas Draper Cooke b c 1804, Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire. Tydd is the most northerly parish in Cambridgeshire and he married Eliza Walker and lived in Lincolnshire. He was an attorney at law per the 1841 census and a solicitor per the 1851 census. He died in 1853 and one George Walker was the executor of his will per death duty records on FMP.
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I have found a possible brother for Marianne: Thomas Draper Cooke b c 1804, Tydd St Giles, Cambridgeshire. Tydd is the most northerly parish in Cambridgeshire and he married Eliza Walker and lived in Lincolnshire. He was an attorney at law per the 1841 census and a solicitor per the 1851 census. He died in 1853 and one George Walker was the executor of his will per death duty records on FMP.
FamilySearch gives the name of Thomas's father as Robert on the 1839 marriage. They have a baptism of a Thomas Cook in 1801 at Tydd St Mary, Lincolnshire, parents Robert Cook and Jane Draper. It is on Lincs to the Past, baptism date 29 Apr 1801, and Draper is evidently Jane's maiden name as it is in brackets and most of the other entries are done the same way. I can't see a baptism for Marianne / Mary Ann with these parents on FamilySearch, but it does seem likely she would belong to the same family. Tydd St Mary is very close to the border with Cambridgeshire.
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The eldest son would look to be Robert Draper Cook son of Robt Cook and Jane his wife, late Jane Draper spinster, born 24th Feb & bp ptely 5th March 1796 in Hingham, Norfolk.
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Or possibly not, as they married in Snelland, Lincolnshire in 1788 per family search.
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Charles Reay's appointment to Swanbourne was reported in the Westmorland Gazette on 3 March 1838.

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The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev Charles Lucas Reay BA late of Gosberton* , Lincolnshire, to the Vicarage of Swanbourne, Bucks, vacant by the death of the Rev William Wodley.

* The article says Gesberton.
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Newspaper report on the discovery of Charles Reay's headstone in 1914.

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The headstone is interesting, you have to wonder how it got there and did it ever get the site of his grave before that date. It was found close to the port of Auckland, so is that as far as it ever got, or was it returned there from somewhere? There is a suggestion that there was a headstone in Nelson where he spent most of his time here, and that vanished or did not exist. He was actually buried where he died at Rangitukia, which is about half way between Auckland and Nelson. The stone is now at the little church in Rangitukia, but not at his grave site. That is said to be unknown, but local Maori have their own ideas about where he is!
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Old 18-09-13, 06:26
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I have just received a copy of a letter written in April 1859, by Maria Reay to her nephew Robert Charles Reay, the son of Charles Lucas Reay and Marianne Draper Cook.

It goes some way to explaining why we have found the baptism of Robert Charles in 1839, but no birth registration. It makes an even bigger mystery of this family.

In the letter Maria tells Robert that he is not the son of Charles Lucas Reay and Marianne Draper Cook, but that Marianne had "palmed on her husband and his family a child with whom they had no connection and making them believe that he was theirs".
She says that she believes that his mother's name was Sanders and she afterwards married and the name of her present husband is Drury. Mr and Mrs Drury do not live together and have separated by mutual consent.
She says that his mother wishes to know something about her son and asks that he make contact and write to her once or twice a year so that she knows how he is.
She asks him to contact his mother by writing care of Mr John Drury, Westington Nr Campden Gloucestershire. She says his mother had no other children.
It sounds from the letter as though Maria has been in contact with Mr Drury on a number of occasions. Unfortunately she is not clear that John Drury is his mothers husband, and she does not give his mothers christian name.

I have looked at Free BMD for a Drury/Sanders marriage before 1859 and found nothing.
I cannot find a John Drury in Gloucestershire in 1861.

Anyone want to have a play with this new information??!
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Campden is/was on the Gloucestershire/Warwickshire border and Ancestry have it listed in Warks.

Here is John D, 41, married and no wife at home:

1861 John Drury
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