Did Emma marry?

[kiterunner]

Yes, presumably, Shona.

[Lindsay]

Sorry, I wasn't ignoring everyone, I had to take offspring back to uni.

I'm really excited to see those workhouse records - I hadn't seen them before, so thanks for that! Poor Emma, though.

The birth certs I have are: Charles (18 Nov 1884), Joseph William (6 May 1891), Richard (6 Nov 1896), Clara (30 May 1898), Thomas (25 Jun 1900) and Robert (1 Oct 1903).

I haven't found a birth for James junior - he's not the one born 27 Dec 1882 (wrong parents) or the one born 15 Feb 1882 (wrong parents - even though his address was Type Street which is where Charles Newman is also listed as living in the school records). The school records are confusing to say the least!

Son John (born about 1887) is not the John Thomas registered Q3 1887.

In the 1911 census Emma says she had 6 children, 3 living and 3 dead, which is clearly wrong - Richard, Thomas and Robert were living with Emma, Clara living with brother Charles's family (listed as his daughter), and Daniel and Joseph living with their families in the same house as Emma. Which makes at least 7 still alive.

[Lindsay]

Looking at the timeline, then:

Jan 1881 Emma's father remarried
June 1881 Daniel was born (when Emma was 16 - in fact he was conceived when she was 15) but never registered or baptised
Dec 1881-April 1882 Emma was in the workhouse.
Nov 1884 Emma registered Charles Newman's birth with her name as Emma Newman formerly Peel
Aug 1888 - Oct 1891 Daniel Peel enrolled at Essex Street School, father James
Sept 1891 - Jun 1893 Daniel Newman enrolled at Cranbrook Road School at the same time and with the same address as Charles Newman (right dob to be Emma and James Newman's son)

Not sure where James junior fits in, though I'm wondering if he was a cousin/nephew or something rather than a son as 1891 states.

[kiterunner]

James Jr could be James's son but with a different mother?

[Merry]

If Daniel was aged 6 months in Dec 1881 and one of the school records says he was born 6th June 1881 then that makes it seem the school record dob may well be correct. If James was born 15th Feb 1882 (school record) then he would also have been aged 9 in 1891, bit it's pretty unlikely Emma was his mother. However, as Kate said, the school record dobs do quite often seem to be wrong.

[Lindsay]

I decided to concentrate on looking for James Newman junior, without any luck, then I stumbled across this baptism:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=3080681

Louisa Newman, born 28 June 1883, parents James and Elizabeth, father a carman, address 435 Bethnal Green Road.

My James's mother was Louisa.
My James was a carman.
435 Bethnal Green Road was the address of Emma Witchalls who married James Newman (not my James, different father) in 1882
435 Bethnal Green Road was where my James and Emma were living in Nov 1884 when they registered the birth of son Charles.

It must mean something - mustn't it? * sobs onto keyboard *

I'm going to have to send for the cert - I could paper the house with the certs I've bought for this family!

[Merry]

Could the fathers of the two James Newmans (yours and the one who married Emma Witchells) be brothers?

[Merry]

Do you know the name of your James senr's father?

[Lindsay]

James's father was also James, a carman. He married Louisa Bellinger.

As far as I know they only had one child - James.

However, the oldest James was one of 7 boys (out of 16 children). They seem quite a close family and a lot of them worked in the family business, so it wouldn't surprise me if a vacant property was passed round the family.

[Merry]

So, do you have the marriage cert to Louisa Bellinger? Who was that James' father? Was it that Edward I keep coming across?