Did Emma marry?

[Lindsay]

Flushed with success at finding details of the death and burial of my g-grandmother Emma Newman (nee Peel), I'm hoping to discover next if she ever married. I have posted about this before, but perhaps someone can spot some new records?

Here she is on TOGG: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...ight=emma+peel
And here's an associated thread about her son Daniel: http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/f...=daniel+newman

I think I've identified her son Daniel as Daniel Peel in the Ancestry school records (father's name is given as James). He leaves one school shortly before a Daniel Newman starts at another school - date of birth virtually the same.

So, I'm guessing Daniel was illegitimate. But that doesn't explain why Emma apparently never married James Newman, and apparently never registered the births of several of her children.

(just to confuse things there's a parallel James and Emma Newman in Bethnal Green at about the same time).

[ElizabethHerts]

Here are the marriages I have found so far on Ancestry, but none of them seem right, unfortunately.

Name: James Newman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Emma Green
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Apr 1880
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Newman
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Green
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: James Newman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Emma Green
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jan 1884
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Newman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Green
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: James Newman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Emma Witchalls
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Apr 1882
Parish: Bethnal Green St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Newman
Spouse Father Name: Charles Witchalls
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: James Newman
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emma Parfitt
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 May 1881
Parish: Paddington All Saints
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Newman
Spouse Father Name: John Parfitt
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: James Newman
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emma Hawks
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Mar 1879
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles Newman
Spouse Father Name: John Hawks
Register Type: Parish Register

[Lindsay]

Thanks for looking, Elizabeth. The father of Emma's 'husband' James Newman (born 1860) was definitely also James Newman, a carman - none of the marriages on Ancestry seem to fit, even if Emma's surname wasn't Peel (for whatever reason).

[Merry]

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
None found. I was told she married, had a child, was widowed, then married my g-grandfather, James Newman. Children's birth certs all have her name as Emma Newman formerly Peel

To save me looking up all the censuses, could you confirm when she last appears as Peel and when she first appears as Newman? Thanks.

[kiterunner]

I've just looked at all the censuses, so here they are, for reference!

1871 John Peel Head M 35 Dock Lab Midx Old Ford
Clara Peel Wife M 34 Do Bethl Green
Thos Do Son 12 Do Do
Clara Do Daur 10 Do Do
Emma Do Daur 6 Do Do
John Do Son 3 Do Do
Anne Do Daur 1 Do Do

1881 John Peel Head M 42 Hawker Bethnal Green
Ellen " Wife M 41 "
James Croft Stepson U 17 "
John Peel Son 14 "
David Croft Stepson 8 "
William " " 5 "
Albert " " 2 "
Emma Peel Daur 17 Seamstress "
Maria Croft Stepdaur U 14 Yorks Sheffield
Rebecca " " 11 Bethnal Green

1891 18 Olga Street, Bethnal Green
Newman James Head M 32 Carman Bethnal Green
" Emma Wife M 26 "
" Daniel Son 9 "
" James Son 9 "
" Charles Son 6 "
" John Son 4 "
" Louisa Dau 52 (?) "

1901 16 Digby Walk, Bethnal Green
James Newman Head M 40 Manure Carman Bethnal Green
Emma " Wife M 36 Matchbox Maker "
Charles " Son S 16 "
Joseph " Son 8 "
Richard " Son 4 "
Clara " Dau 2 "
Thomas " Son 10 mo "

1911 45 Tagg Street, Bethnal Green
Emma Newman Head 47 Widow no occupation 3 children, 3 living, 3 dead - the 3 in the first column looks to have been changed to a 6 - Bethnal Gr
Richard Newman Son 14 Nil Do
Thomas "do 11 School Do
Robert " Do 8 Do

[kiterunner]

Tower Hamlets BMD seems to be broken.

[Merry]

Daniel Son 9 "
James Son 9 "


What do we know aboout these "twins"?

[Phoenix]

Do we know who James Newman jnr is?

If James snr were previously married, he might not be in a position to marry Emma, even if he were the father of Daniel. (I have an ancestor playing chicken with two women at the same time)

[kiterunner]

I can't find a marriage on FreeBMD or ancestry.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Merry

Daniel Son 9 "
James Son 9 "


What do we know aboout these "twins"?

snap!