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02-05-22, 05:08
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Baptism: 7 Mar 1813 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Robinson - Daughter of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Joiner Baptised by: Thos. Brocklebank, Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1815, Page 17, Entry 136 Source: LDS Family Search Baptism: 16 Oct 1814 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England John Robinson - Son of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Joiner Baptised by: Thos. Brocklebank, Curate Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1815, Page 208, Entry 1663 Source: LDS Family Search Baptism: 12 Jan 1817 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Hannah Robinson - Daughter of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Joiner Baptised by: Thos Brocklebank Curate Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1817, Page 194, Entry 1551 Source: LDS Family Search Baptism: 7 Feb 1819 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Mary Ann Robinson - Daughter of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: Rt. Caunce Curate Register: Baptisms 1817 - 1820, Page 142, Entry 1134 Source: LDS Family Search Baptism: 3 Nov 1822 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Nancy Robinson - Daughter of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: H Richardson Lecturer Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1824, Page 72, Entry 574 Source: LDS Family Search Baptism: 22 May 1825 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England James Robinson - Son of Richard Robinson & Nancy Abode: Great Bolton Occupation: Cabinet Maker Baptised by: J. Slade Vicar Register: Baptisms 1824 - 1826, Page 178, Entry 1421 Source: LDS Family Search 
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02-05-22, 05:44
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I've used the same for search for a marriage . there are only three which are viable , that's if richards spouse is nancy ,as you have said before it could be a name she used and not necessarily the right one , although on the births it says mother nancy . they are :-
Marriage: 1 Dec 1806 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England Richard Robinson - (X), this Chapelry Nancy Hargreaves - (X), this Chapelry Witness: Henry Robinson; Charlotte Adamson Married by Banns by: J. Adamson, Incumbent Register: Marriages 1778 - 1812, Page 98, Entry 38 Source: Original Parish Register Marriage: 21 Sep 1812 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England Richard Robinson - (X), This Parish Nancy Guy - (X), This Parish Witness: Francis Bradshaw; Thomas Hindley Banns Read: 16 Aug 1812, 2nd: 23 Aug 1812, 3rd: 30 Aug 1812 Married by Banns by: Jonathan Topping Curate Register: Marriages 1802 - 1812, Page 352, Entry 783 Source: LDS Film 1562958 Marriage: 11 Jan 1813 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England Richard Robinson - this Parish Nancy Flitcroft - (X), this Parish Witness: John Morris; Edw. Redford Married by Banns by: Jno. Fallowfield Register: Marriages 1809 - 1819, Page 158, Entry 787 Source: LDS Film 2356185
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02-05-22, 07:26
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I've just added some spaces to your posts so it's easier to see where one entry ends and the next begins!
With regards to the first marriage, I think these two baptisms belong to that couple and helpfully the father's occupation is included: Baptism: 25 Jun 1809 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England William Robinson - Son of Richard Robinson & Nancy Born: 9 Jan 1807 Abode: Padiham Occupation: Weaver Register: Baptisms 1803 - 1812, Entry 65 Source: Original Parish Register Baptism: 25 Jun 1809 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England John Robinson - Son of Richard Robinson & Nancy Born: 9 May 1809 Abode: Padiham Occupation: Weaver Register: Baptisms 1803 - 1812, Entry 66 Source: Original Parish Register It's a pity there are not more baptisms, overlaping in date with the ones at Bolton, so it could be easier to say they are 100% not the same couple, but a weaver would not normally suddenly become a joiner and especially as we know later it says cabinet maker for your Richard, so presumably a properly trained (apprenticed?) woodworker. So, I think the first marriage of the three is eliminated. The other two are more tricky. From 1812 onward there really only seems to be your Richard and Nancy having children baptised in Lancashire, where we might prefer to see two sets and work out which set belongs to which couple. Most websites that offer variables on first names include variants of Ann for Nancy, but Lancs OPC doesn't so you should also search Richard and Ann to see if anything else comes up. Searching for baptisms for Richard and Ann doesn't give any more at Bolton or Padiham or any at Warrington or Prestwich. I also looked at marriages of Richard and Ann, but there were none that looked anywhere near as likely as the two Richard and Nancy marriages we already have. With regard to your Richard's occupation, there is this on Ancestry: UK, Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 Monday 30th March 1801 Master, Joshua Marsden, Standish, Co of Lancaster, joiner etc, apprentice Ricd Robinson The date generally marks the start of a seven year apprenticeship and the apprentice would normally be aged about 14 (not younger). So, I think it's pretty likely this is your Richard and he would most likely have been born about 1787ish. Of course having an apprenticeship at Standish doesn't particularly help with where he might have married (Warrington or Prestwich - and it's quite possible neither of those are the right marriage!), so we need more information or some way to eliminate one of the marriages. If you were thinking the Prestwich marriage is a bit close to the first baptism date, I noticed that too, but I don't think we can exclude that marriage because of the dates. If anything, it may make that marriage the more likely one!!
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02-05-22, 07:52
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I wondered about what happened to Richard and Nancy.
As you said, the name Robinson is pretty common! I think we already know that your Jamesb 1825 wasn't with his parents on any census, so we need to see if any of the other children were. First we need to see if any of the children were buried young, to eliminate them from appearing on a census: Burial: 19 Mar 1824 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England Nancy Robinson - Daughter of Richd. Robinson Age: 1 year Abode: Great Bolton Buried by: Lowther Grisdale, Offg. Minister Register: Burials 1823 - 1826, Page 90, Entry 716 Source: LDS Film 1966470 So, that leaves us with Ellen 1813 John 1814 Hannah 1817 Mary Ann 1819 (James 1825 who we have already covered) to look for. Normally I would look for the youngest, but none would be that young in 1841 so I looked for younger, but less commonly named, Hannah. This looked very promising - correct name and occ for father and Ormskirk where your James lived.: Marriage: 7 Feb 1842 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Thomas Strickland - Full, Miller, Widower, Lathom Hannah Robinson - Full, Spinster, Ormskirk Groom's Father: Henry Strickland, Miller Bride's Father: Richard Robinson, Joiner Witness: John Robinson; Hannah Nuttall Married by Licence by: Charles Forshaw Register: Marriages 1837 - 1846, Page 109, Entry 218 Source: LDS Film 1849665 In 1851 Hannah and her husband are living at Preston, with a stepson for Thomas Strictland called Richard Robinson aged 15 b Bolton. Hannah is aged 34 and born at Bolton, so perfect! Next to find her in 1841.
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02-05-22, 08:01
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1841 Census Ormskirk, Moor Street
Nancy Robinson 50 shopkeeper Yes Hannah Robinson 20 Yes Richard Robinson 6 Yes Hannah (and probably Nancy also) have had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 years as the census form requested. Helpfully, Nancy is still alive in 1851: Ormskirk, Cock Pit Yard, Chapel Lane Nancy Robinson head widow 63 born Bolton, Lancs The rest of her household are all lodgers, surnames Leaver, Cowen and Travis.
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Good.
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