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Old 17-05-20, 09:56
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Old 17-05-20, 10:19
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i have seen all the births from the post you mentioned , in standish , which isn't far from upholland as my relatives live there. I think that it may be the family but obviously richard is missing .
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Old 18-05-20, 06:54
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hi ,merry i've tried to sign in to FMP . to see the man you have mentioned in post 14 , so i'm afraid i can't see it at the moment can you help please ? thanks
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Old 18-05-20, 07:48
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1851 Census

Aberdeen Farm, Blackrod

Richard Walker, head, widower, 72, farm labourer, born Lancashire, Standish

In 1841 he was a collier living at Goodman's Fold, Blackrod. Both times living alone.
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hi ,merry ,thanks i saw him at goodmans fold on the 1841. but didn't see the one of him in Blackrod in 1851 . i think this is our Richard .
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hi Merry , my friend in the U.S ,has just sent me a copy of a poor law document Pemberton . she thinks regarding Richard walker and Ellen , and Five children . i would send it to you but don't know how as i can't see an attachment sign . Now it looks like them .As it mentions cecily , age fifteen the document is dated 1819 . But there are children jane james and william Margeret . i can't read it all ,as the writing is in old english . Is this them ? it would be better if you could see it ,Perhaps . thanks
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Is this it?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...cklabel=Return

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Upon the appeal of the Inhabitants of the Township of Upholland in the said County to the Order made by James Alexander Hodson and Joseph Bevan Esquires, two of His Majesty's Justices of the Peace and Quorum in and for the said County, under their Hands and Seals, bearing date the twentyfifth Day of June last, for the removal of Richard Walker and Ellen his wife and Cecily, Margaret, Jane, James and William their children poor Person out of the Township of Pemberton into the Township of Upholland both in the said County as by the same order this Court with the consent of both the said Parties set aside.
In your last post you said the document mentioned that Cecily was aged fifteen, but I don't see that anywhere.

In post #2 of this thread we have the following children:

The first four bap at Upholland:

Mary bap 1798
Betty bap 1800
Cecily bap 1803 bur 1803
Cecily bap 1804

Then All Saints, Wigan (post #3):

Ellen bap 1806 bur 1813 (I' assuming now that this is that Ellen's burial as she isn't included on the removal order)

I just found the youngest two children mentioned on the removal order (Lancs OPC):

Baptism: 20 Aug 1815 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Walker - 1 Son of Richard Walker & Ellen
Born: 5 Jun
Abode: Standishgate
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Edwd. Hill
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1816, Page 246, Entry 1962
Source: LDS Film 1885676

Baptism: 1 Mar 1818 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Walker - 2 Son of Richard Walker & Ellen
Born: 1 Dec 1817
Abode: Pemberton
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: Edwd. Hill Curate
Register: Baptisms 1816 - 1819, Page 171, Entry 1365
Source: LDS Film 1885676

So now there's Margaret and Jane to find, probably between 1804/6 and 1815. This one looks promising, but I can't see anything for Jane 1810-1815:

Baptism: 18 Mar 1810 Christ Church, Parbold, Lancashire, England
Margaret Walker - Daughter of Richd. Walker & Ellen
Born: 17 Mar 1810
Abode: Parbold in the Parish of Eccleston
Register: Baptisms 1809 - 1812, Page 16, Entry 66
Source: Original register at Lancashire Archives
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There's another order for August 1819 moving the family from Pemberton to Radcliffe.
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Ah, now I've found the document with the ages - I hadn't realised there was more than one.

It has the ages of all the children.
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Cecily 15
Margaret 9
Jane 6
James 4
William 18 months.
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