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Thanks Charles - I think I had worked most of that out However......
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If that is the right marriage I'd be interested to know who Elizabeth's first husband was.
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Hi Merry,
In "A Year at Chequers..." It states that Joseph Grout married Elizabeth Clark at St Dunstans Stepney in 1801. - Those responsible for that research are no longer with us so I can't give you a definitive answer. I do know that the work was done with some care. But that does not preclude mistakes. Charles |
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Thanks for that, Charles.
The marriage I mentioned 1st Sept 1801 did actually take place at St Dunstan's Stepney. It was the groom who was of the parish of St John's Hackney - my mistake when copying my notes. The bride was definitely Elizabeth Miller (widow). It's possible there was some further info in the banns or on the marriage licence or allegation etc. Given the church is the right one and the year is right too, I'm think this must be the right marriage. I think it would be quite difficult (impossible??) to trace Elizabeth's history as Miller and Clark are both farly commonplace names!
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Hello again - I am reopening this thread because I have just put two and two together and ...... Re Elizabeth Clark. If this maiden name is correct, she could well have been the sister of Susanna Clark who married Joseph Grout's brother Thomas (4 Feb 1801 St Luke's Finsbury). In searching for a possible baptism/birth record for Susanna, I found a Baptism at St Luke Finsbury on 3 Nov 1780 to parents John Clark and (Hannah) Margaret.
I then found another Baptism for Elizabeth Clark at same Church to same parents on 8 Feb 1784. While this COULD be the Elizabeth Clark we want, it would mean that she was a Widow aged 17 when she married Joseph Grout. I am also wondering if 1838 was her correct date of death? Any death record? Jenny from Aus |
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I had noticed the surname match, but Clark is such a common name I'd not tried to connect them.
I have Elizabeth Clark b abt 1763. Then a marriage 26 Oct 1789 to William Miller at Holborn St Sepulchre. One of the witnesses is a James Cark. There's a possible will: PCC will for William Miller of St John Hackney, Middlesex, signed 9 Dec 1793 and proved 31 Jan 1794. I've not found a burial though. This William Miller has a wife Elizabeth, but mentions no children. One of the witnesses is a James Clark. And then the marriage to Joseph Grout: 1st Sept 1801 at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney By Licence to Elizabeth Miller, widow Witnesses James Moston ?? and Eleanor Brown Joseph is described as of St John's Hackney I think the 1838 burial for Elizabeth Grout is the right one as her address is given as Stamford Hill which is where Joseph was living in 1841.
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Re Joseph Grout in 1813 He and brother George had turned away from family occupation of Saddlers, Harness Makers etc and had founded the product of silk crepe. They joined with Baylis brothers and set up Grout and Baylis in Norwich and Enfield ( Grouts also there as saddlers).
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Grout_and_Baylis I also have a marriage for Joseph Grout to a widow Elizabeth Miller at St Dunstan, Stepney in 1801. Wasn't sure it was 'our' Joseph Grout until looked closely at witnesses and it was James Williams (and Eleanor Brown) There's lots of info about the Grout crepe/crape mills on Google. |
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Sorry, you have the marriage above but double check the witness. I think it is James Williams. No, I've taken another close look at the image and it isn't Williams. As well he wasn't born until 1816
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