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Old 30-01-21, 21:53
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Hi Can any one offer some guidance.
I am trying to trace a Richard Andrews who is my husbands uncle (he doesn't remember him) I have a date of birth of the 27th July 1916 which I got from the 1939 census where he was living with his parents in Acton.
His parents were Jesse John Andrews and Florence May Pattenden. I cannot find any birth registration at all giving 5 years either side to the birth date on the 1939 census. He died in 1962 (suicide). All the information I have found is from electoral rolls and they always show him living with parents.
Is there any other records I should look at to try and find any information at all about him. I am thinking that maybe he had some medical condition, as he was not called up for army and as far as I can make out never married and left home.
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The only birth I found on the GRO was this:
ANDREWS, WILLIAM JAMES mother's maiden name: PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 279


Perhaps he was not registered as Richard?
I'll look for other children.
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The 1939 Register and electoral registers will not say how he was related to the other members of the household, so do you know for sure from another source that Jesse and Florence were his parents and not related to him in some other way, such as uncle and aunt or foster parents? Or maybe they adopted him? Also how do you know he wasn't called up, please?
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The only birth I found on the GRO was this:
ANDREWS, WILLIAM JAMES mother's maiden name: PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 279


Perhaps he was not registered as Richard?
I'll look for other children.
I found a tree which says that William's parents were James and Sarah Ann, and that this is him on the 1939 Register, with dob 1 Apr 1916:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...15?pId=5989211

These are James's army papers - the list of children doesn't go up to 1916 but it does show that Sarah Ann's maiden name was Pattenden, and some of the other children match with the 1939 Register entry above.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...73?pId=4462550

So, it doesn't look likely that William J is Richard.
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The only birth I found on the GRO was this:
ANDREWS, WILLIAM JAMES mother's maiden name: PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 279


Perhaps he was not registered as Richard?
I'll look for other children.
Yes I saw this one.
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The 1939 Register and electoral registers will not say how he was related to the other members of the household, so do you know for sure from another source that Jesse and Florence were his parents and not related to him in some other way, such as uncle and aunt or foster parents? Or maybe they adopted him? Also how do you know he wasn't called up, please?
That is a good point, I only know from my husband that he said his dad had a brother Richard and the records I found were correct with their names and addresses.
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The 1939 Register and electoral registers will not say how he was related to the other members of the household, so do you know for sure from another source that Jesse and Florence were his parents and not related to him in some other way, such as uncle and aunt or foster parents? Or maybe they adopted him? Also how do you know he wasn't called up, please?
My husband seems to recall been told that he was a fire fighter during the war.
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There is a newspaper report on Richard's death on Find My Past where Jesse is named as his father. Richard had a greengrocers and was found dead in his locked garage with the van engine running, the report says he had suffered mental health problems.
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That is a good point, I only know from my husband that he said his dad had a brother Richard and the records I found were correct with their names and addresses.
Then I'm guessing he was either born outside of England and Wales, or adopted.

The 1921 census will be released early next year and might help.
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There is a newspaper report on Richard's death on Find My Past where Jesse is named as his father. Richard had a greengrocers and was found dead in his locked garage with the van engine running, the report says he had suffered mental health problems.
Hi, Yes I know about this I have the death certificate and Jesse was my husbands grandad.
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