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Old 03-11-14, 18:14
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Yes - he says he only speaks English in the 1911 census yet my alternative Rees family speak Welsh.

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It looks like that Alfred is still alive in 1911 (not that this 100% excludes him!)
Ah, so he is. Occupation Colliery Shot(?) Man. Their son Thomas isn't at home so they're not definitely ruled out.
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However, I'm still struck by the fact that in the 1911 census which appears to have been filled in by him, Thomas gives his birthplace as Cardiff. Why would he put Cardiff and not Merthyr? It puzzles me.
I have read that sometimes the form was filled in by someone else but signed (or supposedly signed) by the householder as though they had filled it in. But yes, it does seem strange if it is the same Thomas.
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I couldn't get anywhere with this one:

Deaths Mar 1899
Rees Alfred 47 Pontypridd 11a 280

Have you looked at this man at all?

1891 census:

Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Alfred Rees boarder married 38 Coal Miner b Tuelebert, Pembrokeshire

Partly because my knowledge of Welsh geography is virtually non-existent!!
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(Notes: Her dob on both the 1901 and 1911 census is 1886/87. Her Father's name in full is Morgan Lewis Porter)
So this is her in 1891? (followed a link from an ancestry tree)
8 Trebawnog Rd, Llantrisant, Glamorgan
Janet Hopkins Head W 43 Glamorganshire
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Morgan L Porter Boarder M 33 Coal Haulier Breckonshire
Martha J Do Daur (sic) M 26(?) Glamorganshire
Eliza J Do Daur S 3 Do

And there is a birth reg Jul-Sep 1887 Pontypridd (also linked to from that ancestry tree.) Did she really look 19 when she got married?!
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That's odd - I just looked again at 3 and 4 Morgan Terrace, Cymmer and whilst 4 has a Rees family, number 3 has Lemuel Llewelyn and family and a lodger, Job Salter and family, so I must have gone wrong.

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That's odd - I just looked again at 3 and 4 Morgan Terrace, Cymmer and whilst 4 has a Rees family, number 3 has Lemuel Llewelyn and family and a lodger, Job Salter and family, so I must have gone wrong.

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The Lewises are listed at 3 Morgan Street.
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1891 census:

Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Alfred Rees boarder married 38 Coal Miner b Tuelebert, Pembrokeshire

Partly because my knowledge of Welsh geography is virtually non-existent!!
This is the rest of his family in 1891, but no Thomas:
Dyffryn Lodge, St Nicholas, Pembrokeshire
Phebe Rees Wife M 38 Pembrok Mathry
Sarah Anne Do Daur 15 Scholar Do Llanhedryn
Margaret Anna Do Daur 12 Do Do St Nicholas
Dinah Maria Do Daur 10 Do Do St Nicholas

In 1881 their head of household is Alfred Rees 28 born Pembrokeshire Letterston, although he is an ag lab then. Wikipedia says that the Welsh name for Letterston is Treletert.
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In 1901 Phebe is a widow. And she has a son Thomas! But he is 9, so I don't think he could have passed for 21 a few months later to get married! (Also he is born at Pembrokeshire St Nicholas.)

But it does look likely that the 1899 Alfred Rees death is her husband.
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So, could it be that Alfred and Phebe split up soon after the 1881 census and Alfred went off to Glamorgan and had a son Thomas by another woman, or got together with another woman who already had a son Thomas, and Thomas took his surname?
Except that he doesn't have a family with him in 1891.
I suppose you could get the 1899 death cert to see whether it helps at all.
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