Thomas Rees of Penygraig (1911)

[Sirenoftitan]

Name

Thomas Rees

Date and place of birth

About 1883, Cardiff (source 1911 census)

Names of parents

Alfred Rees (source marriage certificate)

Date and place of baptism - if applicable

Unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any

Married Elizabeth Jane Lewis on 31st December 1901 at the Registry Office in Pontypridd.

His age is given as 21 years (dob 1880) occupation is recorded as Collier. His father's name is Alfred Rees (deceased) - occupation - Coal Trimmer.

Address for bride and groom is recorded as 3 Morgan Street, Cymmer (Her mother's residence).

Her age is given as 19 years (dob 1882), no profession and father recorded as Morgan Lewis, collier.

(Notes: Her dob on both the 1901 and 1911 census is 1886/87. Her Father's name in full is Morgan Lewis Porter)

Witnesses were – Sarah Ann Owens and Robert Johnson.

Occupation(s) - if any

Collier

Military service - if any

Unknown

Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.

3 Morgan Street, Cymmer (marriage certificate 1901)
27 Penygraig Road, Penygraig, Rhondda (1911 census)

1891 census – not found
1901 census – not found

Date, place and cause of death

Unknown

Date and place of burial / cremation.

Unknown

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable

Unknown

Memorial inscription - if any

Unknown

Updated to rectify mistake in address - 3 Morgan STREET (not Terrace) shown on marriage certificate

[Merry]

Looking at death registrations for men named Albert Rees between 1882 and 1901 there's only one in Wales who is old enough (of course it might not be the right one!):


Deaths Mar 1899
Rees Alfred 47 Pontypridd 11a 280

Have you looked at this man at all?

1891 census:

Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan

Alfred Rees boarder married 38 Coal Miner b Tuelebert, Pembrokeshire

Though married, he's not with his wife or any children.

[Merry]

3 Morgan Terrace, Cymmer

Given that's Elizabeth's parents address, I expect you've seen the Rees family living next door? Just a red herring?

[kiterunner]

There is this family on the 1881 census if Thomas was a bit older than he let on (edit - just noticed in rereading that he is 21 on his marriage cert so this would fit anyway):

10 Ynyscynon St, Citenpennan(?), Aberdare, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Alfred Rees Head Mar 31 Coal Miner Neath Abbey, Glamorgans
Mary Rees Wife Mar 28 St Isals Pembrokesh
Sarah J Rees Daur 9 Scholar Cwmbach Glamorgans
John Do Son 8 Scholar Cwmbach Do
Becca A Do Daur 4 Scholar Cwmbach Do
Margret M Do Daur 1 Cwmbach Do
Thomas W Do Son 1 Mo Cwmbach Do

[kiterunner]

Originally Posted by Merry

3 Morgan Terrace, Cymmer

Given that's Elizabeth's parents address, I expect you've seen the Rees family living next door? Just a red herring?

Living next door in which census, Merry?

[kiterunner]

This is the family from post #4 in 1891, still at 10 Ynyscynon St, Cefnpinnar, Aberdare, Glamorgan:
Alfred Rees Head M 44 Coal Miner Neath Glamorganshire Welsh
Mary Do Wife M 38 St Isell Pembrokeshire Do
John Do Son S 18 Coal Miner Aberdare, Glamorganshire Do
Rebecca Do Daug 14 Do Do Do
Margt Mary Do Do 11 Scholar Do Do Do
Thomas Do Son 10 Do Do Do Do
David Charles Do Do 7 Do Do Do Do
Alfred Do Do 5 Do Do Do Do
Gomer Do Do 3 Do Do Do Do
Catherine Do Daug 6 Mo Do Do

But it says Welsh for language spoken for all of them, while your Thomas says he only speaks English on the 1911 census.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

living next door in which census, merry?

1901.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

This is the family from post #4 in 1891, still at 10 Ynyscynon St, Cefnpinnar, Aberdare, Glamorgan:
Alfred Rees Head M 44 Coal Miner Neath Glamorganshire Welsh
Mary Do Wife M 38 St Isell Pembrokeshire Do
John Do Son S 18 Coal Miner Aberdare, Glamorganshire Do
Rebecca Do Daug 14 Do Do Do
Margt Mary Do Do 11 Scholar Do Do Do
Thomas Do Son 10 Do Do Do Do
David Charles Do Do 7 Do Do Do Do
Alfred Do Do 5 Do Do Do Do
Gomer Do Do 3 Do Do Do Do
Catherine Do Daug 6 Mo Do Do

But it says Welsh for language spoken for all of them, while your Thomas says he only speaks English on the 1911 census.

It looks like that Alfred is still alive in 1911 (not that this 100% excludes him!)

[kiterunner]

Hmm, well, they speak both Welsh and English in 1901, but Thomas is still at home and Alfred still alive:

Alfred Rees Head M 52 Coal Miner Neath Glamorgan Both
Mary Do Wife M 48 Pembrokeshire ??? Do
John Do Son S 27 Coal Miner Glamorgan, Aberdare Do
Margaret Jones Daur M 22 Do Do Do
Thomas Rees Son S 20 Coal Miner Do Do Do
D Chas Rees Son S 18 Coal Miner Glamorgan, Aberdare Both
A F Do Son S 15 Coal Miner Do Do Do
Gomer Do Son S 14 Coal Miner Do Do Do
James Do Son 8 Do Do Do
Thomas Jones Son in law M 24 Coal Miner Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Do

(still at the same address as before)

[Sirenoftitan]

Originally Posted by kiterunner

There is this family on the 1881 census if Thomas was a bit older than he let on (edit - just noticed in rereading that he is 21 on his marriage cert so this would fit anyway):

10 Ynyscynon St, Citenpennan(?), Aberdare, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Alfred Rees Head Mar 31 Coal Miner Neath Abbey, Glamorgans
Mary Rees Wife Mar 28 St Isals Pembrokesh
Sarah J Rees Daur 9 Scholar Cwmbach Glamorgans
John Do Son 8 Scholar Cwmbach Do
Becca A Do Daur 4 Scholar Cwmbach Do
Margret M Do Daur 1 Cwmbach Do
Thomas W Do Son 1 Mo Cwmbach Do

They are indeed on my possible list This Alfred crops up on every census between 1851 to 1891 and I've mapped that family tree, just in case.

However, I'm still struck by the fact that in the 1911 census which appears to have been filled in by him, Thomas gives his birthplace as Cardiff. Why would he put Cardiff and not Merthyr? It puzzles me.