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08-12-13, 09:13
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I wonder who owned the hotel .. maybe it was hers?
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08-12-13, 09:52
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Maybe Lucinda gave her real father's occupation on her marriage cert? Thanks for all that info, Elizabeth; it's going to take some time to process!
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08-12-13, 10:03
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I haven't read the thread properly and I have to go out in a minute, but Merry alerted me to this thread and here is my quick reply!
I do have this Alice in my hobby tree but I'm afraid I don't know a lot about her. Her parents were Edmund Holden (born before 1765, Grimehills) and Izabel Heap and she had 10 siblings. This is what I have written in my notes about Edmund Holden: Who is Edmund? Also at Grimehills is Briggs Holden, whose children have very similar names. Are Edmund and Briggs related? Could Edmund be an illegitimate son of one of the daughters of Owd T) No baps found. Owd T is Owd Timothy of the Looms, a locally famous gateway ancestor. Jeremy Hunt, a local oral historian had a book published in the late 1800s detailing genealogies of thousands of Darwen people who descend from OT and he was extremely accurate. He does not mention Edmund or Briggs and this might fit in with his ethos of "not telling anything unworthy" (Hunt was a very religious man and never mentions illegitimacy, simply leaves those people out). There is a Duxbury website which is of varying accuracy (!) and I will fish out the link to that when I get home. OC
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08-12-13, 10:46
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Thanks for that, OC. Do you know how you know that Edmund was born at Grimehills, please?
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08-12-13, 14:37
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For your collection of Holdens at Grimes Hill (from FreeReg):
County Lancashire Place Darwen Church St James Parish Church, Lower Chapel Holy Trinity Monumental Inscriptions Register Number Burial Date * * 1869 Forename Edmund Relationship husband of Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Molly Rel1Surname Surname HOLDEN Age 74 Abode Grimes Hill, Over Darwen Notes Date died 20 Apr 1869 File Number 14298 County Lancashire Place Darwen Church St James Parish Church, Lower Chapel Holy Trinity Monumental Inscriptions Register Number Burial Date * * 1867 Forename Molly Relationship wife of Rel1MaleForename Edmund Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname HOLDEN Surname HOLDEN Age 66 Abode Notes Date died 13 Feb 1867 File Number 14298
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#36
08-12-13, 17:17
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I'm back.
I know this thread is about Alice Holden but if I don't put this here now I'll forget about it: Information about Roger Duxbury and his ancestors, also his forward history here: http://nightingaletree.tribalpages.c...rand=821785584 This is a collaborative tree worked on by 20 or so people all with Darwen interests. given that it is an internet sketch tree, it is quite accurate and certainly worth following. This site:http://www.duxbury.plus.com/pdf/DescGeorge1610.pdf needs to be treated with caution although I haven't looked at it for many years, at which point the new "owner" had promised to correct the errors.
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#37
08-12-13, 17:55
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Oh wow, the first tree has 273 Hindles on it.
I'd be thrilled to find just one of mine on it. Edit : mine aren't there. They are geographically just out of the area.
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#38
08-12-13, 17:59
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Glad to see I got Edmund marrying Jane Kay right.
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08-12-13, 18:21
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Ooh, interesting. Thanks, OC! I should probably mention that these people are my OH's ancestors, not mine, by the way.
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08-12-13, 19:11
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I'm not sure that Edmund WAS born at Grime Hills. In Jeremy Hunt's book, he says (in the chapter on Duxbury) that "he married the daughter of old Edmund Holden of Grimehills". Also, on the baptism of all the children of Edmund and Izabel, Edmund has the abode of Grimehills.
From my point of view, I think Edmund is a stray, that is, he is not a descendant of Owd Timothy. I had thought he was maybe the brother of Briggs Holden of Grimehills, who definitely WAs a grandson of OT, but on reflection (and another look!) I don't think he is. Naming patterns for one - his children don't have any "OT" names, like Timothy, Phoebe, Titus, Esther etc. He may of course be a cousin but I have to say that Edmund isn't a common name in Darwen Holdens. Where it occurs it is usually from the RC Holdens or else it has come in with the wife. I think this might be Edmund's burial: 12 August 1817 age 59 of OD. (St Mary Blackburn). I can't find a corresponding baptism, but if he was noncon/RC then that's not a surprise. This may be significant: 21 December 1766 St Mary/Lower Darwen Isable Heap d/o Edmund Heap and Margaret. Might mean there was an earlier Holden/Heap marriage and the name Edmund came from the Heap side. Children of Edmund Holden and Izabel Heap: (baptism dates all Lower Chapel, all of Grimehills, except Catherine, no abode given) Catherine 14 Apr 1782 (married James Duxbury) Alice 29 Feb 1784 Betty 23 April 1786 Izabel 18 May 1788 Nancy 27 June 1790 (? m Thos Duxbury?) John 16 Sept 1792 Edmund 7 Sept 1794 m 2 Jan 1816 Mary Orrell, 10 issue Richard b/d 1796 Ann b 1798 d 1799 Ann 20 Jul 1800 Peggy 5 Aug 1804 ?m John Briggs? Catherine first child might mean Edmund's mother was Catherine Holden, daughter of Owd T. OC
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