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Old 12-11-10, 09:16
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Here's one to maybe get your teeth into!

Name - "official" name and what they were known as

John Saunders

Date and place of birth

Unknown

Names of parents

Unknown

Date and place of baptism - if applicable

Unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any

Unknown

Occupation(s) - if any

On daughter's marriage cert dated Nov 1854: Coal Merchant

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).

Unknown

Date, place and cause of death

Unknown

Date and place of burial.

Unknown

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable

Unknown

Memorial inscription - if any

Unknown

I've deliberately not loooked into this today. Probably last tried when the 1841 census became available on Ancestry.

Clues:

His dau (my 2xgg-gm) was Elizabeth Saunders b abt 1831 in Bristol (according to all census records after her marriage)

This is most likely to be her in 1841:

Abedego Matthew 50
Mary Matthew 60
James Duffett 8
George Andrews 8
Samuel Churchill 5
Mary Saunders 10 <<<<<<<<<<possible sister or even twin, or maybe a cousin or not connected at all?!
Elizabeth Saunders 10 <<<<<<<<<<< Mine???

The above people are in Mangotsfield where Elizabeth's future husband was from. There are other possible matches for Elizabeth and obviously possibly quite a few if you consider all the possible spelling variants (which I don't think I have). Abednego Matthew was a school teacher and the children are listed as pupils.

I don't seem to have any record or possible record for Elizabeth in 1851.
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Who are the witnesses on Elizabeth's marriage cert?
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William Sheppard Heath and Mary Ann Lane.

They are a bit odd as Mary Lane was the name of Wm S Heath's wife, but they had been married five years or so by the time my relatives married (obviously I don't known if Mary Ann Lane is actually the same person as Mrs Mary Heath!).

I spent forever researching this couple backwards and sideways etc only to eventually discover in 1851 or 61 (I forget now) Wm was the sexton of St James in Bristol where the marriage of my rellies took place! I guess they may have been serial witnesses (or at least he was).
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Ooh, I was getting all excited about a John Saunders, coal merchant, 2 Church Row, Weston, listed in the Bath Post Office Directory of 1876-7, but then I realised his full name was John Saunders Baker! I wonder whether there's a connection, though.
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Old 12-11-10, 20:39
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Blimey! lol

I reckon he was only an occasional coal merchant and that is putting me off!

I would think someone was paying for those children to be staying in the schoolmaster's house in 1841, suggesting a parent was still around somewhere.......Pity we can't search occs in 1841
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http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?...c=&pid=7600478


Can anyone see this family (right at the top of the page) in 1841? I am trying to find out who Marian's late husband was. I'm thinking Stapleton is in Bristol and she has a dau Elizabeth and saying 'no business' suggests they had one when her OH was alive.
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There's a William Sanders, aged 10, in the Stapleton Poor Asylum in 1841; not sure if it's the same William as in 1851, especially as it says born out of county.
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Thanks Mary. I've found Wm Henry in 1861 married to Hannah Michael from Abergavenny. The marriage isn't on the pilot site for fathers name though.
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Drat - a notice in the Bristol Mercury tells me that Marian died 19th August 1851, but not who she was the widow of.
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There's a John Saunders will from 1842 listed in the Bristol Wills Index, which I don't remember ever seeing before (the index, I mean, not that entry):
http://www.bristol.gov.uk/ccm/conten...s-1781-1858.en
It doesn't give occupations though.
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