Missing on census 1881 and 1891

[kiterunner]

I thought that maybe he said he hadn't served before because he was using a different name, and because if they saw his supposed age on his original records, he would be too old for them to take for WW1.

[JBee]

His father Francis Winfield's death was on 16 January 1894 in St Giles, Edinburgh.

The age given by his wife Ann McGimes? who was present was 43 and his parents were John Winfield (deceased) and Margaret Brumar? also deceased. Sorry don't know how to put a copy of the image up.

Usual address 78 West Port

[JBee]

I find it odd that I cannot find a Francis/Frank born 1875 in the 1881 census either as a Paton or a Winfield.

On Margaret's birth certificate it says that Alexander Paton and Isabella Hampton married on 10th June 1873 in Brechin but I can't find it on scotlandspeople.

[kiterunner]

Maybe it was an "irregular wedding"? Edit - wait, just realised Francis was born after that date, in which case, they probably didn't get married on that date!

[JBee]

These two Francis's are a pain in the neck lol. but its son in laws direct line and my grandchildren have asked for a family tree for school.

[kiterunner]

Have you already looked at this 1881 census entry - possible for Francis sr though not where I expected him to be?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...8b87b586c5fab7

Edit - ancestry's transcription has Frances Winfied, male, 29, lodger at 1 Burn Lane, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, florist - artificial, born England. Their transcription doesn't give marital status, annoyingly.

[kiterunner]

And this for 1891 - again, you would really need to view the image on SP to check what Ancestry have got right or wrong, but he does have an Ann with him:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...b9c927f37a0624

They have transcribed him as Francis Kinfield, age 41, lodger at 5 Kirkwynd, Maybole, Ayrshire, artificial florist, born Keilmarnock, Ayrshire. Ann also 41 born England.

[JBee]

On the 1881 census Francis is unmarried but born in England

In the 1891 census Francis is said to have been born in Kilmarnock and his wife? Ann born in England - perhaps its the other way around.

As I don't think there's many Francis's that are artificial flower makers I think it must be him.

[Phoenix]

I wonder whether it is possible that Francis senior had TWO sons called Francis? A legitimate son, born Nottingham in 1870 and an illegitimate son b 1875? Artificial flower maker is an odd occupation for a man, and I wonder whether it indicates some accident which rendered other employment impossible?

There is this marriage in Clitheroe, Stafford in 1869 of Francis, labourer, son of John to Sarah Smith: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...AR%2F77480%2F1

[JBee]

There's quite a few Francis Winfields or variants born in England but his parents are said to be John Winfield and Margaret Burness? can't read it.